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Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jquery »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #4

I like how we Hacker News users are brave enough to admit under very public profiles that we have, in fact, been to 4chan. EDIT: This post was not sarcastic or ironic. Though I do think /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum /flameproof-suit.

> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum

When you censor the rest of the internet, the "scum" (aka people with non-PC opinions) will concentrate where they can talk without fear of censorship. You can be a "political-normal" on /pol/ but you won't have the politically-correct wind at your back like you do in so many other places.

Massive props to Moot for keeping 4chan alive as a bastion of free speech.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

Zircom wrote: post #49
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like publicly admitting you spend your spare time in a crack house: much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious.

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Most, if not all, of your so called "illegal", "immoral or malicious" behavior comes from a certain handful of boards, of which there are over fifty. For most, the only illegal/immoral stuff they engage in is piracy and just generally being assholes, both of which can be found on almost any online congregation. In short, lel.

Ok, here's the thing: I don't even have huge moral problems with piracy, but it is very illegal. And "just generally being assholes" should damn well be labeled as a guilty pleasure, at least as it regards 4chan's interaction with the world outside 4chan.

Likewise, many people have no actual problem with smoking crack. That doesn't mean it's not illegal, and it doesn't mean there's no good reason people don't want to live next to a crack house. Or even a dive bar, for that matter.

Consistent cross-site raids conducted by sites like 4chan and SomethingAwful (and worse: hate groups are some of Reddit's most regular raiders) definitely do create the effect of having a virtual "bad neighbor".

I enjoy 4chan too, after having finally getting over being a newfriend (printing the polite version of that term) since half my IRL friends are anons. This doesn't mean I don't know damn well the site is a guilty pleasure and I shouldn't actually let myself get sucked into the Internet Hate Machine.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

#54

Post by babuskov »

dreadheart wrote: post #24
moot wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They provided a boilerplate version of the ad and I gave them the 4chan-appropriate keywords to use with it. They've always been great to work with re: advertising.

Wow, Moot reads Hacker News. Not surprising, but pleases me greatly. Thank you for your contributions to the great shared halucination that is the internet.

Or maybe someone just tipped him off.

Trivia: I just opened his HN profile to see when was his account created, and by some strange coincidence we have exactly the same karma (443). Either that or it's bug in HN :)

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Post by indlebe »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #50
moot wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

* * (censored to protect feelings)

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Post by mr_noah »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #50
moot wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad.

Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

jquery wrote: post #51
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #4

I like how we Hacker News users are brave enough to admit under very public profiles that we have, in fact, been to 4chan. EDIT: This post was not sarcastic or ironic. Though I do think /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum /flameproof-suit.

> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum When you censor the rest of the internet, the "scum" (aka people with non-PC opinions) will concentrate where they can talk without fear of censorship. You can be a "political-normal" on /pol/ but you won't have the politically-correct wind at your back like you do in so many other places. Massive props to Moot for keeping 4chan alive as a bastion of free speech.

Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront. Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.

And that's just the neo-Nazis. /r/anarchism got quite nasty too, at one point, and God only knows what end of the spectrum /r/conspiracy are on.

And that's just the open extremist hate groups and subreddits that raid others on Reddit.

Just today I ran into a DailyKos thread from 2010 debating whether or not to ban reference to some blog on grounds that its text was indistinguishable to the already-banned Stormfront.

The internet is not nearly as censored a place once you get away from Facebook and CNN.

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Post by c0bra »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #50
moot wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

I think you fail to understand something : There are all kinds of people on 4chan. And dont come saying "laws about copyright protection" cause that is not a "crack house" .

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#59

Post by jitl »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #50
moot wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

You should listen to Moot's talks on the subject of 4chan and free speech, which I will link below. As to "raiding," there are exactly zero boards on 4chan where raiding is allowed in the rules: it is globally banned on all boards, even /b/, which is the "no-rules" board.

Many of the 4chan communities are totally moral, from any standards: the cooking board (http://boards.4chan.org/ck) is my favourite board on 4chan, and it's just discussion of tasty eats.

As to copyrighted content, 4chan is the same as any other online message board that allows the embedding of images. 4chan has a staff of volunteer janitors to remove copyrighted content, and a smaller team of moderators to deal with repeat offenders.

Moot talks:

http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for...

http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

#60

Post by fosap »

moot wrote: post #38
kintamanimatt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comment. What would be the problem with someone admitting publicly that they've been to 4chan?

When people recognize/approach me on the street, they often qualify it with "B-but I don't use 4chan [anymore]." There's certainly a stigma.

I don't think so. It's more like saying "I'm an oldfag, I'm a kind of elitist". The hipster who was on 4chan before it was cool.

Being on 4chan might be a kind of stigma, but not very much. I guess the average internet user looks down to thumblr not to 4chan. 4chan are a somehow the cool kids. Somehow.

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