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Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#91

One of the guiding objectives of the current cohort of education thought leaders is to focus on girls. So, we're focusing on girls. Boys, time for your pills. My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools.

My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools. It doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to homeschool children. (Been there, still doing that.) It does take agreement among the parents about what lifestyle adjustments each parent is willing to make so that children have flexibility in their learning. My oldest son, now a programmer working for a…

>> My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools.

> It doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to homeschool children

I interpreted his original comment to mean they wanted to make enough money that they (or their spouse) had enough time to home-school. I'd be really surprised if the cost of materials approached the opportunity cost of the parents' time (although those are fungible to some extent).

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#93

One of the guiding objectives of the current cohort of education thought leaders is to focus on girls. So, we're focusing on girls. Boys, time for your pills. My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools.

My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools. It doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to homeschool children. (Been there, still doing that.) It does take agreement among the parents about what lifestyle adjustments each parent is willing to make so that children have flexibility in their learning. My oldest son, now a programmer working for a…

It doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to homeschool children.

Maybe he meant he wants his kid to go to private school.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#95
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come they don't seem to have this problem in China, India or Germany? It isn't that kids can't handle the workload, the problem is the boring curriculum.

In China the kids take on an extraordinary workload, because long hours show dedication - but they're not learning effectively - instead they all cheat, bribe the teacher, etc. The appearance of working hard and actually working hard/effectively are two different things. Don't be fooled by cultures with endemic corruption. Germany obviously excluded.

>instead they all cheat, bribe the teacher, etc.

This is wrong. Sure there are stories of Chinese students, parents and teachers cheating the system, but keep in mind that China is a country of whopping 1.3 billion people.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#97
post #27

School is half education and half babysitting. The problem is that schools aren't aware of that, and they try to cram too much learning/work into a day at school. Kids just don't have the attention span. College isn't taught this way. Colleges realize that even young adults can't handle 40 hours a week of continual instruction, why do we do this kids can? I think the reason, is that we're always behind other countrie…

Historically many, many children have sat still at school and behaved themselves. That doesn't mean that others should be stigmatized, but it's not like this is impossible and unprecedented.

Correction officers in prisons work to achieve this same effect. I absolutely think it should be stigmatized.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#98
post #9

Public school is essentially an obedience camp. Is it any wonder boys are lagging?

Are you arguing that boys are intrinsically badly suited to a highly regulated environment that expects them to do exactly as they are told as soon as they are told? You should tell the army.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#99

At least one of my three boys would have an incredibly hard time with this. He's definitely "aspie" in a lot of respects. The decision to home educate our 4 children is hands down the best decision we've ever made. Highly recommend it, if you are able to pull it off logistically. Very rewarding experience so far.

I just want to say that you might want to consider public high school. There's a lot of social development going on there, even if most people come out of the entire system bitter.

I walked out of the double doors for the last time. Where I had expected to see a large crowd of people there were only scattered groups of two or three. It didn't matter, they were probably already at flapjacks. I had never heard of the tiny breakfast diner until it was chosen as the unofficial after school lets out breakfast for my graduating class. Nobody else seemed to be showing up, so I walked with one of the tiny groups I saw. I had left home with the intention of eating at flapjacks, even if I dined alone.

Getting out of school has a strange unreality to it. The thing that changes for me is home work. At least with a regular nine to five job you clock out and it's over. With school it's never over, homework is dealt in sufficient quantities to make sure that you're always left wondering if you've done all of it or not. Otherwise enjoyable activities will suddenly be interrupted by your memory trying to figure out if there's any homework that needs to be done. So when I walked out of the double doors my sense of reality was underpinned by the feeling that nothing had seemed to change. It wouldn't be until later that I'd realize my sleep schedule returned to normal after school let out.

The walk to flapjacks was nothing to write about. We crossed a road, and then a bridge, and then a train track, and we were there. As we walked into the restaurant one of the boys at the center table yelled "GET OUT! GET OUT RIGHT NOW!", to which I yelled back an emphatic "FUCK YOU!". It took a few seconds of the other kids cacophony of "He can't say that..." before I remembered that I was, in fact, in a restaurant. I sheepishly apologized to the owner (who was cashier, waiter, and manager) and sat down next to the boy who yelled, Khanor.

Immediately I started to wonder why I came. He apologized and told me that he was actually commenting on my beard, which I had shaved a few days prior, he hadn't been there for them. I inferred that he was speaking in that strange vernacular that all groups of teenage boys invent, and I had shouted at him for it. The distance between us made itself even more felt. I'd been to flapjacks exactly three times, at the end of my Freshman year, my Sophomore year, and now my Junior year. I happened to be hungry, and left with twenty dollars for food, which I spent all of.

Part of the reason I came was to get a group photo. To take a photo in a public high school you're supposed to have everyone sign consent forms agreeing to be photographed. This is of course unwieldy for a group photograph, and I wasn't even sure where to get the consent forms. Besides, I wanted the photo to be organic, to show them accurately. When people pose stiff like corpses for a photo the memory is soiled. I remembered a photo I had seen on wikipedia of the Italian Arditi. The people in it seemed so lively that I could almost imagine standing there with them. I wanted a photo like that.

Part of the problem with getting it was that I needed to take the photo before anybody left. The other problem was finding a place to take the picture, everybody was sitting too far apart to take it from the ground floor. The shot would need to be taken from above the floor level. I eventually set the camera and its tiny tripod on top of a ledge painted green that had a piano set against its side.

It took me three tries as I recall to take the picture. Getting more than ten people to not pose for a group photo, but still look at the camera is an impossible task. What I eventually ended up with was a restaurant of boys and girls striking various poses. Even I had to quickly run to my seat to get in the photo. As I looked over the final photo I frowned, somebody had flipped off the camera, the others had tried to be "wacky" to stand out.

The more I stared at my photo, the better I felt about it. These kids were the type to flip off a camera, and they were the type to make funny faces for a group photo, which in that sense gives a viewer the "realism" of their personalities. More importantly though, it was my photo, I could share it with anyone I wanted, any time I wanted. It's probably the only photo I have of these people that I can show.

School got out at 9:15 as I remember it. My mom had made sure to tell me she couldn't pick me up if I missed the bus, so I knew that after I left this restaurant it would be a long walk home. I asked the boys next to me if I could get a ride in their truck. The short one, Mason, blew off the request, telling me it was a short walk to my house. (Later when I told my mom where I'd walked from her first comment was "That's clear across town!") I got up to pay, and went over my order with the overwhelmed manager, noting the orange juice he had forgotten to write down. (Flapjacks is the sort of restaurant that charges you three dollars for a glass of orange juice.)

As I walked out Khanor drove past me, shouting in a mocking tone "Have fun at the hydroponics store!", a place I had announced my intention to visit earlier. It was right next door. When I got to the road, a man with a backpack stood there with me. He asked if I had any bus tickets. I looked at his olive face and almost considered asking him the cost of a bus ticket and giving him the money, but showing money to a stranger seemed like adding more danger than necessary to a walk across town. I told him no, which was the truth, and he pressed the crosswalk button and waited.

It's funny, the last time I'd walked around in a town was years ago, and it wasn't until he'd pressed the button and I saw the little white man on the other side of the road that I remembered if it was the stop sign or the man that told you when to cross. In retrospect it seemed obvious that it was the man. I visited every store and building that I hadn't had occasion to prior. This included a trip to Value Village, where I looked over the used book selection and found it wanting, I usually have better luck at Goodwill.

I walked out of Value Village with a book on technical writing, and started again down the sidewalk. By this point it was something like one o clock. As I walked down the side walk I became distracted by a passerby and ended up walking in front of a blue truck. The driver didn't seem pleased, and made a motion for me to walk up to the window, I declined and kept walking.

And walking, and walking. I crossed another road, passed Starbucks, bought a Jones soda at Haggens, and made the final walk down to my house. On the way there I was worried about how I would clean up the soda bottle if I dropped it on the concrete. When I finally got to the door it was almost 2:15 PM. I sat down in my chair with a vague sense of malaise. The feeling of unreality from earlier had been heightened by the walk home.

I realized it would have been better to dine alone.

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Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any tips on getting started? It sounds interesting but I wouldn't know where to start.

Google homeschooling resources, and begin talking to the homeschooling groups in your local area. Homeschooling has a network of families that support each other generally. It's the easiest and best way to get started. Plus, you'll get a lot of guidance on what resources are good and which are a waste of time.

It's nearly a guarantee that you have at least two homeschool groups in your area: one explicitly secular, one explicitly religious. Don't be afraid to go wading in the pool of the "other" group.
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