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No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Maybe, just maybe, this might get the US government to stop, or at least drastically limit its spying operations.

> Maybe, just maybe, this might get the US government to stop, or at least drastically limit its spying operations.

And the irony would be that the US needed foreign gov'ts to accomplish what its own citizens could not do.

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criminals that go to jail aren't rehabilitated, they just learn to be better criminals. Governments that get busted doing shady shit don't rehabilitate themselves, they just learn to hide it better.

This post makes no sense. Saying 'Criminals' become better criminals in prison is oppressive and discriminatory and how on earth it is related to this issue at all I do not know.

People that get caught doing something they are inclined to do but shouldn't tend to become better at getting away with it next time.

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Actual translation: because of the behavior of U.S. government, E.U. government(s) will make it hard for E.U. citizens to trade with U.S. citizens. So normal people get spied on and bullied by one government, then because of that their life is made even more complicated by some other government. Great outcome! When people will realize that the problem is always in the governments themselves as a concept, not in any p…

It deeply saddens me that a tiny tiny percentage of the population can really fuck up the lives of everyone - financially, socially, politically, religiously.

The real problem is in how we set up the governments. We give to much power to a few people.

What we really need to do is let people vote on individual issues. Want to go to war that will affect everyone and will cost trillions? Let's have a vote.

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Frankly, I can't see a single good reason for this trade agreement, and a lot of good reasons against, starting with that I (and all other Europeans) don't want GM food, hormone beef and chlorinated chicken in my plate any day soon.

What's wrong with any of those things? None of those things are harmful.

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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US to access Europeans' bank data in new deal

The fact that the US was secretly accessing Swift bank data did not come to light until 2006.

The deal gives the US access to bulk data from Swift, a firm that handles millions of bank transactions daily.

A German Liberal MEP, Alexander Alvaro, said the deal "will ensure that terrorist financing can be traced back to its sources, but it will not affect day-to-day bank transfers of EU citizens".

And the leader of the UK Conservative MEPs, Timothy Kirkhope, said it "sends the right signals about our resolve in fighting terrorism and our commitment to remaining a strong partner of the United States".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10552630

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post makes no sense. Saying 'Criminals' become better criminals in prison is oppressive and discriminatory and how on earth it is related to this issue at all I do not know.

People that get caught doing something they are inclined to do but shouldn't tend to become better at getting away with it next time.

Perhaps, or they just don't do it again. Not all people in jail go back. Generalising things like you have here is not helping anyones understanding on the issue

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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post #6

Frankly, I can't see a single good reason for this trade agreement, and a lot of good reasons against, starting with that I (and all other Europeans) don't want GM food, hormone beef and chlorinated chicken in my plate any day soon.

What's wrong with any of those things? None of those things are harmful.

Ah, but they sound harmful!

Re: No free trade agreement if charges of espionage are true, warns EU Commissioner

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post #7

Actual translation: because of the behavior of U.S. government, E.U. government(s) will make it hard for E.U. citizens to trade with U.S. citizens. So normal people get spied on and bullied by one government, then because of that their life is made even more complicated by some other government. Great outcome! When people will realize that the problem is always in the governments themselves as a concept, not in any p…

This is more a implementation issue of democracy in some countries. Look at the Danish democracy, we have many parties and both currently and historically we rarely have one party governments. It is not uncommon that three or more parties are forming governments. This helps make sure that there is never one entity that decides or hides things from the public.
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