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The Rise Of The Million Dollar, One-Person Business

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Real estate agents or brokers don't have the double taxation that we do right? Meaning they wouldn't have to pay corp/llc and employee tax?

Neither do "we"?

I know the IRS 15-A rules have a carve out for "computer programmers, etc" that limits how such employees can function as 1-person LLC's for the purpose of 1099 employment with a corporation. (That is, the IRS says in such cases we're employees and a 1-man business won't save you from that, so we should be W2'd). But that doesn't affect double taxation?

LLCs pass through the tax burden to the individual partner so whether that's RE or software engineering, there won't be double taxation on the partnerships profits.

Am I missing something else that affects this?

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>I’m not sure that these are all truly one-person businesses. In my reporting, I often come across firms with a regular team of 7 or 10 people, but only one or two classified as W2 employees and the rest working as contractors. I have to agree, since I find it mind boggling that one-man construction firms are making millions.

I have to agree, since I find it mind boggling that one-man construction firms are making millions. That's not that uncommon for a general contractor: you do project management and client relations, sub-contractors hire the people who string wires and swing hammers.

Patrick is right, I know people who are essentially one person companies doing exactly this and they do pretty well for themselves.

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I think about this a lot - I made the jump from salaried worker to self-employed programmer/freelancer/contractor/consultant (depending on how you look at it). But I'm doing enterprise-level architectural programming. It's not very amenable to productizing, so I'm basically stuck being paid for my time.

What that means is that if I want to have a long-term high-security relationship with a couple of key clients, I basically hit a ceiling in hourly rate (a good rate, but slightly below what your general multi-person agency will charge) and I've been at that ceiling for a couple of years now - nowhere close to $250k .

It appears the way to transition out is to bump the rate up significantly so it doesn't appear you're trying to compete with agencies - maybe around $200/hour or 6k-8k/week. But the problem with that is that the long-term relationships can go out the window. They only want to bring you in for shorter periods of time, and you have to hustle more. So the marginal benefit isn't awesome. And I really like my clients and I hate hustling, so I stick with where I'm at. This higher rate I've had for the last 2-3 years is nice and all, but practically what it means is that I'm projected to be able to retire at age 65 instead of age 75. It's not a dramatic difference in lifestyle.

So instead, I've just been trying to amass a larger emergency fund outside of maxing my retirement savings every year. And then I'll do something with it... what, I don't know.

I know, first-world problems, but it seems that now that I finally have a bit of a nest egg, the income-maximizing move would be to use it to invest in one of these other careers the forbes article mentions. But what? Nest egg money isn't really the limiting factor behind a retail operation, it's the actual retail product idea, and I don't really think that way. What's left is real estate, but I'm regularly told I shouldn't even bother if I'm not a fix-it handyman sort, which I'm not. So I'm sort of in this state of perpetual mulling. I wonder if I could just find a talented-but-poor subcontractor, get my own general contractor license, and handle all the business and project management parts (which I love) despite knowing nothing about construction.

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> Many institutions in our society are still structured in such a way that W2 employees are considered the norm, and it is hard for even well-off people who are self employed to, for instance, get a mortgage without intense paperwork hassles. It was refreshing to read that. Even for an apartment it's almost foreign to most building managers when you say you are self-employed (they might even have an unwritten rule th…

Even worse for me is that my clients have been in the US and I am in Germany. The landlords here would rather give an apartment to somebody who is on welfare. Seriously.

I'm considering incorporating and granting myself a EUR salary just so there is a steady pay stub.

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These numbers seem pretty misleading. What we're interested in are businesses that are started from scratch and derive their income through their own brand identity. What we're reading about are people who pass their consulting pay through an LLC for accounting reasons, or people who own income generating property through a holding company. This is more about how successful people are structuring their finances than about how people are achieving high incomes in the first place.

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I think about this a lot - I made the jump from salaried worker to self-employed programmer/freelancer/contractor/consultant (depending on how you look at it). But I'm doing enterprise-level architectural programming. It's not very amenable to productizing, so I'm basically stuck being paid for my time. What that means is that if I want to have a long-term high-security relationship with a couple of key clients, I ba…

The real estate jobs aren't necessarily involved with owning and maintaining properties. They could be one-person real estate agencies.

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I think about this a lot - I made the jump from salaried worker to self-employed programmer/freelancer/contractor/consultant (depending on how you look at it). But I'm doing enterprise-level architectural programming. It's not very amenable to productizing, so I'm basically stuck being paid for my time. What that means is that if I want to have a long-term high-security relationship with a couple of key clients, I ba…

"What's left is real estate, but I'm regularly told I shouldn't even bother if I'm not a fix-it handyman sort, which I'm not."

You don't need to do the fixing yourself... My advice would be to read 3+1 Plan book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3%2B1_Plan). You can get it for free in PDF from the author if you sing up for one of his websites.

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My dad started three small businesses on his own over the period of 20 years: a restaurant, an upholstery business, and a long line commercial fishing boat. First, let me just point out that sales (or revenue) does NOT equal profit. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that. If you count just sales, then the upholstery business marked with inflation would probably be doing $150-200k a year in sales/revenue for a single sole proprietorship. However, count in rent, materials, utilities, etc... my family was probably making about 70k a year in today's dollars. The fishing boat, though, is another story.

Although the fishing boat was incorporated as an S-corp with just my dad as the sole owner and 100% owner of stock, he did employ a crew of people. I mean, there was a boat captain, and at any given time, 7 to 8 guys on board. We had fuel expenses, salaries (which were a portion of the catch), food expenses. If you looked strictly at our sales, which I used to do the bookkeeping for, we would easily net 500k to a million a year in today's dollars. After all expenses were paid and done, my dad would make about $100-120k a year on a decent year.

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I see some flaws in this analysis.

- Point 1

26,744 had sales between $1 million and $2.49 million (up from 24,945 in 2010)

It's a 7% rise, in a year. Those who are in the $100k-$250k range, rose by 6%; not much of a difference.

When we talk (or at least from my perspective) about the rise of a group or minority, it means their growth is much faster than the average and they are probably doing some kind of disruption.

- Point 2

The author talks about the revenue. The revenue means little. Some solo-entrepreneur are selling their craft. A Software developer working remotely has almost no costs. Some are trading stuff. So their revenues are high, but not really their profit.

Re: The Rise Of The Million Dollar, One-Person Business

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I think about this a lot - I made the jump from salaried worker to self-employed programmer/freelancer/contractor/consultant (depending on how you look at it). But I'm doing enterprise-level architectural programming. It's not very amenable to productizing, so I'm basically stuck being paid for my time. What that means is that if I want to have a long-term high-security relationship with a couple of key clients, I ba…

"What's left is real estate, but I'm regularly told I shouldn't even bother if I'm not a fix-it handyman sort, which I'm not." You don't need to do the fixing yourself... My advice would be to read 3+1 Plan book ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3%2B1_Plan ). You can get it for free in PDF from the author if you sing up for one of his websites.

Looks like the 3+1 Plan is basically to buy a property, pay interest only, wait for it to appreciate, remortgage, use proceeds to buy another property.

I think I'm looking for more detail from a hacker perspective - how to get access to RMLS systems, mine the data, what kind of criteria to look for for best arbitrage, what kind of moves you can make if you have $x in capital, etc.

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