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German Federal Prosecutor's office gets involved in the NSA data scandal

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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

Hahaha. Ask Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, and a whole host of other American bad actors who hesitate to leave the safe confines of the United States nowadays.

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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

Hahaha. Ask Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, and a whole host of other American bad actors who hesitate to leave the safe confines of the United States nowadays.

Perhaps Germany could create a program of secret renditions to fetch them...

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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

That has not and will not ever happen. If it were the will of the American people, it would still probably not happen. But it will not be the will of the American people. Foreign surveillance is not something that Americans are united against.

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Is there any hope that something tangible is going to come out of that? Given its history it seems more than unlikely that Germany has any abilities of severe actions. Oh well, I am sure they are going to send a detailed list of issues that need to be addressed through "diplomatic channels"...

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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

I think there have been long standing arrest warrants for Donald Rumsfeld and (maybe) Dick Cheney in Germany for Iraq war crimes, but no extradition. Is this correct, or were some countries just talking about war crimes trials?

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post #15

Is there any hope that something tangible is going to come out of that? Given its history it seems more than unlikely that Germany has any abilities of severe actions. Oh well, I am sure they are going to send a detailed list of issues that need to be addressed through "diplomatic channels"...

Germany for obvious reasons has significant power in the EU, killing the free trade agreement and blocking further cooperation on any levels would certainly be possible.

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Surveillance of Germany: Federal Prosecutor's office gets involved in the NSA data scandal By Jörg Schindler Central NSA offices in Fort Meade: spy programs are a case for German jurisprudence According to SPIEGEL's sources, surveillance by the the American spy service NSA has now also come to the attention of the Federal Prosecutor's office. Information is being gathered in Karlsruhe about the American and British s…

Thanks for the translation, it was so good that I didn't realize I was reading a translation of an article until right at the end.

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post #11
post #4

Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

Hahaha. Ask Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, and a whole host of other American bad actors who hesitate to leave the safe confines of the United States nowadays.

Kissinger was in Germany to watch his favourite soccer club play (Fürth). I'd say that counts as "leave the safe confines of the United States".

He also celebrated his birthday in Fürth in 2012.

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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

I don't know if such an action ever took place, but Bush signed a law that will combat extradition of any US service member to a foreign criminal court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Prote...

Also called the "Invasion of the Hague act" since such freeing of US citizens by force might only be possible through an invasion of The Hague, Netherlands, the seat of several international criminal courts and the seat of the Dutch government.

It has happened the other way around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

Khalid El-Masri is a German citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian Police, and handed-over to the U.S. CIA, whose officers interrogated, sodomized and tortured him. While in CIA hands, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a black site, interrogated, beaten, strip-searched and subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, tantamount to torture. After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit", the CIA finally admitted his arrest and torture were a mistake and released him. He is believed to be among an estimated 3,000 detainees whom the CIA has abducted from 2001-2005.

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