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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by weinzierl »

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #3
susi22 wrote: post #2

Original (this is on the front page of Spiegel today): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-ueberwacht-50... This was also posted yesterday (was on yesterday's front page of Spiegel): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-hat-wanzen-in... Article says that the NSA used bugs to spy on EU offices. Both articles, the comments of SPON (SPiegel ONline): Germans are pissed (We take privacy serious [1]).…

Has there been polling as to whether support for German Pirate Party has increased?

Here you go http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm. (Click on the headings for results of previous weeks for a specific pollster.) Piraten are fairly stable around 3%.

I think these polling results are not very meaningful in regard to the Pirate party. At the last election only one pollster saw them at 1% all the others at NA [1]. In the end they won 2.0 %.

Pollsters still rely primarily on land line telephone interviews, and Pirate voters are therefore heavily underrepresented. Of course pollster know that and try to compensate for this effect but as long as they don't change the sampling method the error for the Pirates will be large. Peter Norvig's FAQ about the U.S. Presidential Election [2] has some excellent explanations of these effects.

[1] http://www.bundestagswahl-2009.de/wahlumfragen/

[2] http://norvig.com/election-faq-2012.html

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by aluhut »

corin_ wrote: post #56
susi22 wrote: post #2

Original (this is on the front page of Spiegel today): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-ueberwacht-50... This was also posted yesterday (was on yesterday's front page of Spiegel): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-hat-wanzen-in... Article says that the NSA used bugs to spy on EU offices. Both articles, the comments of SPON (SPiegel ONline): Germans are pissed (We take privacy serious [1]).…

Isn't Der Spiegel a weekly release? Or when you say "front page" do you mean "of their website"?

He means both: http://www.spiegel.de/ and http://wissen.spiegel.de/wissen/titel/SP/2013/27/300/titel.j...

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by JulienSchmidt »

corin_ wrote: post #56
susi22 wrote: post #2

Original (this is on the front page of Spiegel today): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-ueberwacht-50... This was also posted yesterday (was on yesterday's front page of Spiegel): http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-hat-wanzen-in... Article says that the NSA used bugs to spy on EU offices. Both articles, the comments of SPON (SPiegel ONline): Germans are pissed (We take privacy serious [1]).…

Isn't Der Spiegel a weekly release? Or when you say "front page" do you mean "of their website"?

Yes, "Der Spiegel" is a weekly magazine. This is about "Spiegel Online", the related website.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by zxcdw »

arrrg wrote: post #38
alan_cx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reads like you have simply bought in to the media smearing. Sound familiar? See here in the UK, our media represent the whole of the EU like that. Don't give up, get involved.

No, the pirate party in Germany is a fucking mess. Unelectable. (This opinion is based on reading the parties’ own writing and discussions, not on anything the media wrote.)

A foreginer here. Would you like to elaborate why they seem unelectable?

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by corin_ »

aluhut wrote: post #62
corin_ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Der Spiegel a weekly release? Or when you say "front page" do you mean "of their website"?

He means both: http://www.spiegel.de/ and http://wissen.spiegel.de/wissen/titel/SP/2013/27/300/titel.j...

That magazine cover is tomorrow's so that makes sense, but the way he worded it suggests that two days running it was on the "front page".

And I think that using "on their front page" when talking about the website of a magazine is misleading, in part simply because it suggests magazine not website, and in part because being on the front page of their website really means absolutely nothing when it comes to importance - or at least, it means no more than saying "Spiegel wrote a story about it". The front page of their website is just the hub where they link off content as and when it gets published, both important and less important items.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by JulienSchmidt »

zxcdw wrote: post #66
arrrg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the pirate party in Germany is a fucking mess. Unelectable. (This opinion is based on reading the parties’ own writing and discussions, not on anything the media wrote.)

A foreginer here. Would you like to elaborate why they seem unelectable?

They are unable to settle on a real party manifesto. Also they have problems to organize themselves. Even worse, they regularly contradict each other in public. (My personal view)

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by flyinglizard »

In light of this, EU countries should have come forward and offer an asylum for Snowden. I'm sure there could be some legal way to do so, given the hostility of US intelligence.

Not that I'm not one bit surprised by any of this. Every government with the technical capability to spy, does so. On allies, on enemies and on civilians; everyone is a fair target. NSA was just caught red handed.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by Keyframe »

mtgx wrote: post #57

This would be a good opportunity for Germany/EU to give Snowden asylum, if only to show US that they screwed up so much, it's EU itself, their ally, who will give him asylum.

Like that would ever happen. Especially in a country where US runs the shop since the end of WW2.
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