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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by susi22 »

vidarh wrote: post #17

That headline is blatant editorialising and whether or not you consider what the NSA is apparently doing as an indication they view Germany as an enemy, the text of the article does not in any way support that the NSA itself sees it that way. (in case it is modified, this is the headline as of writing: "NSA: Germany considered an enemy. Intercepting 500mill messages per month")

"Aus einer vertraulichen Klassifizierung geht hervor, dass die NSA die Bundesrepublik zwar als Partner, zugleich aber auch als Angriffsziel betrachtet"

... sees Germany as a "military target".

You're right, I should've used "military target" instead of enemy

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by _stephan »

susi22 wrote: post #21
vidarh wrote: post #17

That headline is blatant editorialising and whether or not you consider what the NSA is apparently doing as an indication they view Germany as an enemy, the text of the article does not in any way support that the NSA itself sees it that way. (in case it is modified, this is the headline as of writing: "NSA: Germany considered an enemy. Intercepting 500mill messages per month")

"Aus einer vertraulichen Klassifizierung geht hervor, dass die NSA die Bundesrepublik zwar als Partner, zugleich aber auch als Angriffsziel betrachtet" ... sees Germany as a "military target". You're right, I should've used "military target" instead of enemy

"Angriffsziel" in general is not synonymous with "military target". I'd translate it simply as "target".

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by middus »

weinzierl wrote: post #7

"A confidential classification shows that the NSA considered the Federal Republic does as a partner, but also as an attack target. Thus, Germany is one of the so-called third-class partners. Specifically excluded from espionage attacks are Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand, which are performed as a second category. "We can attack the signals of most foreign partner third class - and to do so," it said in a p…

Here's a better translation of a passage that made me particularly irate: "On Christmas Eve 2012, the NSA eavesdropped and stored about 13 million telephone connections"

Merry Christmas, German friends.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

bayesianhorse wrote: post #20
vidarh wrote: post #17

That headline is blatant editorialising and whether or not you consider what the NSA is apparently doing as an indication they view Germany as an enemy, the text of the article does not in any way support that the NSA itself sees it that way. (in case it is modified, this is the headline as of writing: "NSA: Germany considered an enemy. Intercepting 500mill messages per month")

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

_stephan wrote: post #22
susi22 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Aus einer vertraulichen Klassifizierung geht hervor, dass die NSA die Bundesrepublik zwar als Partner, zugleich aber auch als Angriffsziel betrachtet" ... sees Germany as a "military target". You're right, I should've used "military target" instead of enemy

"Angriffsziel" in general is not synonymous with "military target". I'd translate it simply as "target".

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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #24
bayesianhorse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by arethuza »

[deleted] wrote: post #24
bayesianhorse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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Probably a reference to the Hamburg Cell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell

NB From what I can see most of the members of this group were not German nationals

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by ExpiredLink »

mathieuh wrote: post #8

Yes it's terrible, but I'm amazed that people are surprised at all this NSA stuff. Look at America's history, it's been a global hegemon since the 1940s. I don't think they're likely to stop any time soon.

> I'm amazed that people are surprised at all this NSA stuff

Me too. People who could put two and two together knew what Snowden 'leaked' to the mass media.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by accountoftheday »

[deleted] wrote: post #24
bayesianhorse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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Some of the attackers previously lived as engineering students in Germany.
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