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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by jvm »

rogerbinns wrote: post #215
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

> Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars

The fact that people feel strongly about something does not mean it is important. Lots of people have very strong feelings about the New Jersey Devils or the Miami Heat. That doesn't mean that sports or teams matter.

I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, but your comment does not constitute a valid argument in favor of that conclusion.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by camperman »

Leepic wrote: post #250
camperman wrote: post #243

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You don't need scientific research to know that a good extensible, programmable editor that can become an extension of your mind and hands is going to make you more productive than Notepad. It's like playing a musical instrument. The finger movements and thought processes move into the background over time as you master them with proper practice and you start operating at a higher level. A world-class musician isn't…

You don't need scientific research to know that a good extensible, programmable editor that can become an extension of your mind and hands is going to make you more productive than Notepad. Sure you don't. You can feel the difference. The problem occurs when people treat their editors as an extension of themselves and can't tell the difference between "not liking you" and "not liking your editor", eventually getting…

There will always be flamewars and defensiveness about technology choices. Some people are insecure, some aren't. Not everyone becomes a dick just because they've mastered an editor. My best friend for many years used vim while I used emacs and we used to constantly rib each other about our choices. But we still worked very well together. Maybe you need to work where people don't care what you use to get stuff done as long as it gets done?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by rogerbinns »

jvm wrote: post #251
rogerbinns wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

> Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars The fact that people feel strongly about something does not mean it is important. Lots of people have very strong feelings about the New Jersey Devils or the Miami Heat. That doesn't mean that sports or teams matter. I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, but your comment does not constitute a valid…

> The fact that people feel strongly about something does not mean it is important.

I meant important to them individually, not the whole world

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by rogerbinns »

evjan wrote: post #232
rogerbinns wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

"Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars. That productivity matters." How do these people know it makes a difference? Do they measure their productivity? Is there any scientific research on this?

It doesn't have to be measured to 7 significant digits in a scientific way. But if you spent a week trying out various editors every now and then for the kind of work you do, you should at least be able to make a more informed choice about which editor to use. Or you may discover functionality in another and see if you can get it in your current favourite.

I've interviewed people who were exposed to Nano at school, and have never tried out any other editor. They are missing out on productivity improvements available in many other editors. More middling of the scale I've also interviewed someone who used Eclipse as their first editor and has proceeded to use it ever since despite not working on Java projects any more. That isn't bad per se, but I rank someone higher if they at least try out others every now and then.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by georgemcbay »

jvm wrote: post #251
rogerbinns wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

> Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars The fact that people feel strongly about something does not mean it is important. Lots of people have very strong feelings about the New Jersey Devils or the Miami Heat. That doesn't mean that sports or teams matter. I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, but your comment does not constitute a valid…

"Lots of people have very strong feelings about the New Jersey Devils or the Miami Heat."

Which would probably be important if you were interviewing them to be local sportscasters in those markets, no?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ansgri »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #225
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

I too LOVE sublime text (especially the mini document map, God I love that thing), I just wish there was an addon that turned a tab into a Rich Text Document editor (italic, bold, bullet points, etc...) I tend to write very long posts for my blog and I hate the Wordpress editor.

What use is of the mini-map? Navigation is better done by search, and I cannot imagine it could be more than a cute waste of screen space.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ansgri »

DigitalJack wrote: post #206
levosmetalo wrote: post #187

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If it had something like tramp in Emacs, that wouldn't be an issue. Heck, I sometimes log in to remote VPS where I have an Emacs configured to suit all my needs, open Emacs there and edit file on my local machine using Emacs tramp.

There is an excellent sftp sync plugin for sublime text. It's not free but has a similar nag trial option. I don't have the name or link off hand though.

There's sshfs for linux, use whatever editor you want. I still hadn't find a decent client for Windows though.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ansgri »

vertex-four wrote: post #216
nahname wrote: post #121

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As someone who uses sublime everyday let's go through that list... Syntax / Code folding - feature for dealing with bad code. Solution: write good code. We don't need additional cruft in the editor slowing it down. Terminal panel (specifically for windows) - Would actually be nice for windows users. I am not one. Probably why the console in sublime is so limited, supporting windows in this regard is terribly difficul…

Actually, code folding is implemented, at least for Python. Mouseover the line numbers. Not that anyone should be doing it, but at least it's there.

It's implemented for almost everything, and has a good keyboard support. Guess it was there from the very beginnging.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ansgri »

joeblau wrote: post #245

I'm not a Sublime user yet, but I've always been interested in it's interface. I'm trying to figure out if it's a replacement for a text editor like VIM or a heavier IDE like IntelliJ?

It's a replacement for VIM so good that in most cases the IDE becomes unnecessary, because the notion of 'project' and various GoTo and search commands solve all navigation needs. It even has a rudimentary build system support.

I talk about c++ and Python though, where no 'real cool' IDE exists. Not so for statically-typed reflexive languages like Java and C#, where your well-informed IDE can make code transformations of arbitrary complexity.

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