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Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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post #9

I liked Hacker News better when it was a place for sharing and discussing start-up based news. Not to say that these other types of articles are not worthy of reading and sharing. But I can get them elsewhere.

You can find endless streams of startup gossip elsewhere as well. Just saying.

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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Tommy from cityswig.com here - been dealing with Virginia ABC for about 2 years now, and their uncooperative behavior and insane bureaucracy essentially killed any chance we had to survive as a company. Not only that - but stories like this are the norm in Virginia. They're in constant over-reach mode.

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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post #9

I liked Hacker News better when it was a place for sharing and discussing start-up based news. Not to say that these other types of articles are not worthy of reading and sharing. But I can get them elsewhere.

I agree. I have no problem with the occasional political article highlighting some issue that might be of interest to the community but 60% of the stories on the front page have nothing to do with technology. This story isn't even relevant outside of Virginia.

I can sort of see the relationship to the greater security/liberties debate.

But, ultimately this is a story about a series of escalating mistakes by both sides based on assumptions they were making about the other actions.

It may be the fact that I have been in the parking lot in question, have dealt with VA ABC before, or have too many friends who are Cops. But, ultimately this reads as mistakes were made by all sides, predictable consequences, and ultimately a relatively reasonable resolution with no real relevance to the greater security/liberty debate.

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

#24
post #8

how would they have known she was underage, yet not known that it was bottled water not alcohol? Why would it be appropriate in any situation to pull a weapon for a possible underage drinking charge? There is too much about this that doesn't add up - there should be an investigation.

They pull you over any time you look like you might be underage. It's bullshit.

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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I wish we had "https" for real life, a way to know someone really is who they say they are. Not so much personally, but more an immediately verifiable organizational identification for a person.

I always thought badges were a weird way for police to self-identify, considering a thug could make something that passes as a badge, especially in a dark in-your-face encounter like this. And you're supposed to do exactly what they say without regard to protecting yourself or fleeing, for fear of being charged with felonies (or worse). That just seems like a system that wasn't well thought out.

The article said these women called 911 to verify these guys really were cops; that to me is an extremely smart move given the amount of terror they must have been going through.

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#28
post #3

Expect to see more of this with the systematic destruction of the 4th amendment. The U.S. domestic policing agencies have become militarized in both tactics and weaponry. There is no middle ground anymore. Either they are in full battle-rattle complete with assault vehicles, automatic weapons and drones or undercover in plainclothes. Any reasonable person in her situation would be confused and scared beyond their wit…

>It's pretty GD scary - how are we supposed to identify the good guys?

The bad guys are the ones initiating aggression - it doesn't matter what uniform they wear (or non-uniform).

The 4th amendment is being destroyed because other amendments are also being weakened that would normally protect it. The 1st and 2nd amendment could easily protect this shocking situation from occurring. The 1st allows us the free speech to inform the public of what's happening. In terms of the 2nd amendment - if this woman had been carrying a pistol in her purse (which is common in the South) to protect her from being overpowered, she would have a chance to defend herself. Just one incident of a citizen defending themselves would see the immediate halting of these kinds of thuggish tactics.

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

#29
post #9

I liked Hacker News better when it was a place for sharing and discussing start-up based news. Not to say that these other types of articles are not worthy of reading and sharing. But I can get them elsewhere.

Since "Hackers" have often have an attitude of disobedience, it's not surprising that articles related to law and abuse of power are considered news worthy.

This isn't "Startup News".

Re: Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. student

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post #21
post #9

I liked Hacker News better when it was a place for sharing and discussing start-up based news. Not to say that these other types of articles are not worthy of reading and sharing. But I can get them elsewhere.

You can find endless streams of startup gossip elsewhere as well. Just saying.

Yah. That stuff should be here, don't you think?
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