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Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by arthulia » Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 8:20 PM UTC

thezilch wrote: post #91

wmf wrote: post #81

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A DRM-free subscription service would immediately lead to a ripper tool that would download everything in one month, which would immediately lead to Hollywood studio execs pitching hissy fits.

Those responding to shit, pay close attention to my original quip towards dinosaur content-providers and "Hollywood execs" here. What Netflix wants or not is largely irrelevant; I can't say for sure they would ever consider running their service without some sort of DRM or downloading deterrents. It is clear to me they want to provide a more sane service than other offerings, allowing me to watch what I want without…

One strange choice they have made is restrict content depending on the device. PCs can play more shows than consoles that run netflix apps.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by weavejester » Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 8:39 PM UTC

cdcarter wrote: post #136

weavejester wrote: post #129

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Why is a video stream featuring a movie different from a video stream featuring a TV show?

Early movie rips tend not to be in HD, as many exhibition leaks are still standard definition. It takes longer for an HD rip to appear for movies.

And how does that factor into whether Netflix should use DRM or not?

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by surrealize » Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 8:43 PM UTC

thezilch wrote: post #117

surrealize wrote: post #103

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Content publishers tried to get DRM into broadcast television (the "broadcast flag"). They failed, and now they broadcast everything in the clear. In that case, there was a bunch of push-back against DRM. But Netflix and Microsoft aren't pushing back against web DRM; they're just rolling over and implementing it. So digital broadcast television started with publishers demanding DRM, and then giving up on it (and real…

You may not know what advocate means, but it can take steps to eradicate DRM, as if it is really always a bad thing. Do I think web video and broadcast TV are different? Absolutely; definitely; unequivocally, yes. Obviously. Maybe not for technical folks; maybe not when usenet or FTP trading was your only option for content not music; but nowadays, torrent software and search is really damn easy and free. Broadcast a…

> You may not know what advocate means

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advocate, verb: publicly recommend or support.

In this thread, you've been publicly recommending and supporting the idea of giving up on fighting web DRM.

Web video and broadcast TV are the same in terms of the effect of piracy, and in terms of the need for DRM. A TV show pirated from a broadcast stream is almost exactly the same as a TV show pirated from a web stream. DRM isn't necessary over the air, therefore it isn't necessary on the web.

Requiring DRM for web content but not for broadcast content is like locking one door but leaving another open. The broadcast door has been open for years and Hollywood still hasn't imploded. Web DRM isn't necessary for their business; they're just trying to use it to get more control.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by cookiecaper » Sat, Jun 29, 2013, 2:19 AM UTC

makomk wrote: post #61

jlgreco wrote: post #37

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There is also no reason to think that these binary blobs will be built for platforms that the video providers have not given two shits about in the past. Anyone who is supporting this stuff because they think it will get them Netflix on a GNU/Linux desktop (not ChromeOS or Android) is crazy. That's not what this does, and they don't care about supporting us.

So far, Google's binary DRM blob isn't just restricted to ChromeOS either; it only runs on official Chromebooks running the official Google-provided image that haven't been rooted.

AFAIK it doesn't care if your Chromebook is rooted. My Glacier Snow Chromebook is "rooted" and Netflix (the reason we bought it) continues to work well on it.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by adamconroy » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 12:03 AM UTC

humbledrone wrote: post #119

adamconroy wrote: post #108

As pointed out by many, this is even more proprietary than any plugin. Microsoft are fricken idiots, they are trying to be hip and open standards etc but nobody is going to buy it, at the same time they are annoying everyone who couldn't care less and probably don't even know what a plugin is, on top of disenfranchising legions of developers.

You say nobody is going to buy it, but doesn't this article show that Netflix "bought" into it?

Sorry for the ambiguity. My intention was to communicate that I didn't think anyone would buy the idea that MS is hip and an open-standards advocate.