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Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

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Complete competitor to Stripe and Balanced and Braintree.js. Just a teeny bit underneath pricing for all - 2.85% versus 2.90%.

You'd think someone like Mastercard could actually provide a significant enough percentage difference to matter. 2.85% is still way too high.

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#82
post #32

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PLEASE tell the world why it's so damn difficult to let non-US businesses use a payment service? We're dying to know. Is it because of bullshit regulations everywhere? Why has it taken you forever to set up shop in a couple of places in Europe? Why not the rest too? Seriously. What is it?

It's a combination things. - Legally, we need to be able to verify identities. We want to do this frictionlessly and in real-time rather than with some paperwork sheaf that gets mailed to you a week later. The solution looks different in almost every country. - Visa, MasterCard, and co. have rules that effectively prevent you from using the same backends in different areas. (E.g., you can't use the same backend in Eu…

> Visa, MasterCard, and co. have rules that effectively prevent you from using the same backends in different areas.

What's the reasoning behind that restriction? Could you just re-use your backend stack, but use a different data center / machines, that's isolated from the backend of other countries?

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#83
post #60
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I built the first version of Stripe and work here.) I think the unfortunate aspect of these clones is that they're lazy. I have huge respect for anyone that innovates in payments -- I know how hard it is, and I'd imagine it's even harder to do that as part of a larger company. What I find disappointing is when a product copies everything about Stripe -- everything from Stripe.js to the "live/test" switch to the "1/2…

The SV expectation/mentality that if someone builds something first they "own" that space is unjustifiable. I'm not say you are saying that, but it is an implicit attitude in the Valley. Competition (or "clones") were around 100 years ago, continue to exist today and will be around for the next 100 years. Today's innovation is tomorrow's commodity thanks to competition. This is good. Is it disappointing that MasterCa…

> People think that Ford Motor was one of the first (if not the only) car manufacturer in States in the early 1900s, but it was quite the contrary. The car was a revolutionary technology: it had a combustion engine, it was fast, etc. Over 100 car companies were launched in the early 1900s.

There were over 1,800 automobile manufacturers in the United States from 1896 to 1930. Very few survived and only a few new ones were started after that period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturer...

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#84
post #60
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I built the first version of Stripe and work here.) I think the unfortunate aspect of these clones is that they're lazy. I have huge respect for anyone that innovates in payments -- I know how hard it is, and I'd imagine it's even harder to do that as part of a larger company. What I find disappointing is when a product copies everything about Stripe -- everything from Stripe.js to the "live/test" switch to the "1/2…

The SV expectation/mentality that if someone builds something first they "own" that space is unjustifiable. I'm not say you are saying that, but it is an implicit attitude in the Valley. Competition (or "clones") were around 100 years ago, continue to exist today and will be around for the next 100 years. Today's innovation is tomorrow's commodity thanks to competition. This is good. Is it disappointing that MasterCa…

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Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#85
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I built the first version of Stripe and work here.) I think the unfortunate aspect of these clones is that they're lazy. I have huge respect for anyone that innovates in payments -- I know how hard it is, and I'd imagine it's even harder to do that as part of a larger company. What I find disappointing is when a product copies everything about Stripe -- everything from Stripe.js to the "live/test" switch to the "1/2…

Stripe's terms of use prohibit both weapons and virtual currencies. If Simplify's terms of service prohibit either, I can't find the relevant paragraph. That alone makes Simplify somewhat more attractive.

"a. Illegal Activities b. Certain Adult Oriented Products and Services c. Illegal Drugs d. Counterfeit Goods e. Gambling Businesses f. Money Making ("Get Rich") Businesses g. Tobacco Products"

Source: https://www.simplify.com/commerce/docs/misc/legal/merchant-t...

Much, much less restrictive than Stripe, and cheaper to boot. Now adult websites can switch to this instead of CCBill (which I find more sketchy.)

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#86
post #82
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a combination things. - Legally, we need to be able to verify identities. We want to do this frictionlessly and in real-time rather than with some paperwork sheaf that gets mailed to you a week later. The solution looks different in almost every country. - Visa, MasterCard, and co. have rules that effectively prevent you from using the same backends in different areas. (E.g., you can't use the same backend in Eu…

> Visa, MasterCard, and co. have rules that effectively prevent you from using the same backends in different areas. What's the reasoning behind that restriction? Could you just re-use your backend stack, but use a different data center / machines, that's isolated from the backend of other countries?

It's because the banks that issue credit cards have most of the negotiating leverage, and they don't want giant US banks competing on their territory on the payment acceptance side. As a result, you need to use a European bank to accept payments in Europe, a Latin American bank in Latin America, and so on. The payments industry is full of these non-obvious (and unfortunate...) power dynamics.

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#87

Something that caught my eye: the name "Simplify" is pretty close to "Simple", the online bank service. Different products entirely, I realize—but heck, Simple’s twitter handle is even @simplify.

That was actually what drew me to the headline. I saw "Simplify" and thought it was about my bank.

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#88
post #77

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With clones of Stripe poppin' up everywhere, I think the niche advantage would be to be able to scale the service to a number of other countries where this type of service is either expensive or unavailable (please come to Australia! - I know there is "pin", but we wouldn't mind a cheaper alternative without any monthly fees!)

Have you looked at Braintree? We're charging 2.4% and $0.30 in Australia, with no monthly fee.

We use Braintree, but it's a payment gateway in Australia not a full stack solution. You still need to provide your own merchant and account and deal with the endless hassles that come with it. Merchant accounts are really the hard part of accepting money in Australia at this point.

Re: MasterCard's Simplify Commerce

#90
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I built the first version of Stripe and work here.) I think the unfortunate aspect of these clones is that they're lazy. I have huge respect for anyone that innovates in payments -- I know how hard it is, and I'd imagine it's even harder to do that as part of a larger company. What I find disappointing is when a product copies everything about Stripe -- everything from Stripe.js to the "live/test" switch to the "1/2…

Stripe.js is copyrighted content. The rest is not too big a deal but if they've copied your software (even if it is JavaScript) that's not legal.

I'd guess they meant "the idea and general implementation details of Stripe.js", not "the code, verbatim".
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