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Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by kenbellows »

rubberband wrote: post #15
fatjokes wrote: post #8

Thank god. I hate Silverlight. It's so resource intensive. EDIT: I just felt like ranting against Silverlight some more. The only reason I use Silverlight is because of Netflix. I run it in Chrome on my Mac Air. Besides being buggy and resource hungry, it also doesn't stop my Mac from dimming even when watching a video in fullscreen, unlike YouTube videos, etc. (Could this be because it doesn't use the graphics card?…

Are you implying that Flash is any less resource intensive or buggy?

Where did he mention Flash? HTML5 video is the alternative being discussed here, and it's far less resource intensive and buggy (depending on the video format), from my experience at least.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by tjoff »

jlgreco wrote: post #49
tjoff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter what tool or OS people use to get rid of the DRM?

Since DRM is all about making it inconvenient/difficult to delay the inevitable, yes. They are not going to do anything that will only help a very fraction of their subscribers but would streamline, let alone automate, the ripping process.

But it surely already is an automated process?

The only reason for it not to be ought to be that netflix doesn't have any content of interest or of too low quality.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by tmzt »

makomk wrote: post #17
isomorphic wrote: post #10

Quoting Netflix, from the article: We expect premium video on the web to continue to shift away from using proprietary plugin technologies to using these new Premium Video Extensions. Quoting the article: According to Netflix, Microsoft made this possible by implementing three features in its still-unfinished IE11: The Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) using Microsoft PlayReady DRM. Netflix is using some doublespeak h…

In fact, they've replaced one proprietary experience with an even more proprietary one. Silverlight was available on more than one browser and OS; this is Windows-only and IE11-only. I believe Netflix are already using EME on Chromebooks but they have a different, totally incompatible DRM scheme (Google's Widevine).

But even so, the DRM system was not available cross-platform. Something like Moonlight could process the data but could not play back encrypted video using the Microsoft DRM system.

Each platform will offer a different DRM implementation, but there would be only one HTML5 player and would use the same API on all systems.

I assume that they will continue to use Silverlight on Windows prior to IE11.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by jspaur »

kenbellows wrote: post #51
rubberband wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that Flash is any less resource intensive or buggy?

Where did he mention Flash? HTML5 video is the alternative being discussed here, and it's far less resource intensive and buggy (depending on the video format), from my experience at least.

To be fair, he mentioned Youtube, which even in Chrome uses Flash by default.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

#55

Post by lesslaw »

mortenjorck wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who, given the vast proliferation of mobile and TV-connected devices with Netflix clients over the past few years, can't even remember the last time they used the Silverlight app to stream something?

I don't know but I use it every day. It is how Eurosport delivers its streaming channel to Windows. There is an Android and iOS version. The Android one doesn't allow the 3 hours rewing feature that Silverlight does and drops frames rather than buffering.

http://player.eurosport.com/

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by tmzt »

jlgreco wrote: post #42
mikeryan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not necessarily saying that Linux will ever be a high priority, but having to only provide a PlayReady Media Extension for a few browsers on Linux is a much more reasonable effort then providing the whole Silverlight or Flash runtime.

They would have no control over the rest of the stack. If netflix created a linux build of a DRM binary that worked with their service then it would become the tool of choice for everyone that wanted to rip/upload to usenet the latest Netflix exclusive content. Also they frankly just don't care about linux users. If this were something that they were interested in having, they would have had Netflix on Chrome on 'reg…

If an extension to XvMC or the proprietary ATI/Nvidea equivalent supported a protected path for media content, which could theoretically bypass the kernel by sending ciphertext directly to the renderer, then Widevine or another DRM system could be supported on GNU/Linux.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by jlgreco »

tjoff wrote: post #52
jlgreco wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since DRM is all about making it inconvenient/difficult to delay the inevitable, yes. They are not going to do anything that will only help a very fraction of their subscribers but would streamline, let alone automate, the ripping process.

But it surely already is an automated process? The only reason for it not to be ought to be that netflix doesn't have any content of interest or of too low quality.

Moreso than a few pipes and a hacked up curl? I doubt it. My impression is that the current preferred method is ripping the decoded video stream from an unsecured cable.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by mynameisvlad »

mtgx wrote: post #48
freehunter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many sites are reporting that Microsoft has confirmed IE11 support for Windows 7 [1]. The question is when, not if. [1] http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043129/internet-explorer-11-...

Is Microsoft really releasing a new version of IE with support for only 2 major (8.1, 8.2, etc are just service packs anyway) versions of Windows back? I guess that's good for everyone, though, since it means IE won't have a huge market share anymore.

I really don't think it's as big of a problem as you're trying to make it out to be.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by jaredmcateer »

mortenjorck wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who, given the vast proliferation of mobile and TV-connected devices with Netflix clients over the past few years, can't even remember the last time they used the Silverlight app to stream something?

I used it every day because I find all HTPC media center implementations of netflix to be lacking so I use it straight through the browser.

Re: Netflix ditches Silverlight with support for HTML5 video in IE11

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Post by Zikes »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #58
mtgx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Microsoft really releasing a new version of IE with support for only 2 major (8.1, 8.2, etc are just service packs anyway) versions of Windows back? I guess that's good for everyone, though, since it means IE won't have a huge market share anymore.

I really don't think it's as big of a problem as you're trying to make it out to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system...
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