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Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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Now the NSA can watch your screen!

That's valid. Remote desktop opens up some interesting attack vectors, whether used by the NSA or just some hacker with malicious intent. There's nothing I can see about security mitigations...

I have to be logged in to my Google account to use it.

Did I mention that I use two-factor authentication?

Show me another Remote Desktop software that enforces two-factor authentication.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

#32
Ok Google, now do this using the webRTC data channel instead of a plugin (using Vidyo's H.264/SVC)

webRTC is going to be really exciting in the next year or so. Google is pushing it, but it'd be great to see them actually using it. I was hoping New Hangouts would be on webRTC, but it is still a bit early.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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That's valid. Remote desktop opens up some interesting attack vectors, whether used by the NSA or just some hacker with malicious intent. There's nothing I can see about security mitigations...

I have to be logged in to my Google account to use it. Did I mention that I use two-factor authentication? Show me another Remote Desktop software that enforces two-factor authentication.

We use RDP + TS gateway over VPN which you have to auth your remote key before you can connect.

That's 4 factor :)

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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Can anyone comment on how a browser plugin gets access to the desktop? (even if hangouts doesn't do it, there's a remote desktop plugin) I'm a curmudgeon, but it seems like it's like designing a washing machine attachment that serves as a home security system and pasta maker. Are there OS or X11 permissions that can restrict userland apps from deviating far from their original use case?

Not X11, any app can see or manipulate any other apps screen buffer. It is one reason Wayland is nice. If your system has MAC you can restrict its file access, but in general you have library support for this stuff built in. It is also why in most cases it is a PITA to stream 3d rendered screens. Opengl / directX don't provide easy ways like X11 to look at a completed framebuffer and store / broadcast it.

Wayland doesn't provide meaningful security for that case. It's true that there's no protocol support for arbitrary buffer access, but if you're running as the same user (as is the case here) it's comparatively trivial to dup the drm file descriptor and remap the buffers. You may need to be able to guess (or just probe for) the handles though, I'm not sure.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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And Google continues killing off niche application vendors... WalMart of the Internet.

Screen sharing is a Skype feature. If having a broadly available free tool with deep-pocketed corporate support was going to kill off that "niche", then it's surely been dead for years already. This is just Google achieving feature parity with the existing players.

I mean, I'm as much a cynic as anyone, but I swear that these days it seems like Google can't catch a break on this site.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

#36

And Google continues killing off niche application vendors... WalMart of the Internet.

Do you expect them to stop innovating just to avoid stepping on someone else? This development actually makes a lot of sense for Hangouts, and I'm glad they did it.

There is still room for others, especially in the spheres where using Google products is not an option.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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There is a green bar below the user's picture when they're online.

Just switched back to check this out. I see the green bar under only one of my friends but the rest that are online or away don't have this. Do they also have to have hangouts enabled for me to see that? Also, I understand that they are trying to make things minimal and look cool but it's not something that's very intuitive or noticeable. I thought it might have meant that I have a chat window open with that person.

How is hangouts minimal ? In old gchat you have lines of text - very efficient and natural. In new hangouts you have a lot of empty space, graphics and overall about 4x less text in the same amount of space. It's huge UI fail in my opinion. Fortunately there is still an option to switch back.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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The worst thing about the new Google Hangouts is that it doesn't expose the phone numbers associated with some of the Google Contacts. So in order to make a phone call, I'd have to recall the number and type it in the search bar. Typing the name in the search bar won't reveal that person's phone number either. This is more intuitively done in the old Google Chat which has a phone button which reveals the numbers. So…

This is why I suspect they've drug their feet on Google Voice integration. They want to make that seamless. You want to call [Person] and you shouldn't have to even think about whether it's over Hangouts or PTSN. That's what Google Voice will give them. You call them from the Hangouts app and they pass it through Google Voice if they're not signed into any Hangout machines. It roughly works this way already for exist…

Calls incoming to my Google Voice number already ring in Hangouts for me - I actually use that any time I have to do phone conferencing now, since I can just use my computer headset rather than futzing with a phone headset.

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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I have to be logged in to my Google account to use it. Did I mention that I use two-factor authentication? Show me another Remote Desktop software that enforces two-factor authentication.

We use RDP + TS gateway over VPN which you have to auth your remote key before you can connect. That's 4 factor :)

How many times do you enter in the same credentials throughout the logging process?

Re: Google Hangouts adds remote desktop support

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Am I the only one who prefers regular gchat to google hangouts? It's super difficult to figure out who on my contact list is online or not. I also mistake old msgs as new ones because of the lack of time-stamps. Maybe I'm missing a check-box or something that could fix all this but I gave up and switched back to gchat almost immediately.

I complained about this for a while, but then I saw someone use Hangouts on mobile. I suddenly realized why Google designed it this way. Of course the designers noticed that it was hard to determine who was offline and who was online. In fact, that's the whole point.

Google is incrementally eliminating the distinction between the online and offline world. Pretty soon, the concept of offline won't exist anymore -- everyone will be thought of as online all the time.

But there's no place for old-style instant messaging in this mental model. So they're moving away from it. But they can't make this change all at once, so they're doing it slowly. When the distinction goes away, Hangouts will be just like SMS. If you think about it, Apple already beat them to this with iMessage, and Google is playing catch-up. But instead of launching a new product, Google is just extending their existing IM ecosystem to take over the SMS space.

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