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Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Like I mentioned, this was really nothing more than an experiment. I certainly would not have done that if I was trying to generate buzz for a legitimate company. These were the efforts of a broke college student who thought it interesting to see if he could ride the swine flu hysteria. And to a certain extent, I was able to ride it. It was a great learning experience.

I have to reiterate the grandparent poster's point... The tactics you used might be great to generate buzz in one week, but they would suck to generate buzz over 6 months, because once everyone finds you're basically abusing forums for your SEO, lying to journalists, and spamming twitter, they won't want to deal with you on principle. So this works for a throw-away company that you don't care about. That said, I'm do…

It depends greatly on what your motives are. If you want to sleep well at night you're absolutely right. If you want to start a successful business it's not so clear cut.

I know that this is a sensitive point, particularly on HN where people tend to judge companies by the merits of their pproducts and not on their ability to market them, but cheating gets results. It's of course a fine line, but if you don't get caught and attract new customers then it's good for business.

Sad as it may be, if you want to make serious money you often have to do things you wouldn't normally do, including black-hat SEO, promising more than you can deliver and squeezing your competitor by spreading FUD and rumors.

I'm not saying that this is the only way to do business, and there are many examples of companies with an impeccable moral record that are doing well. But the bottom line is that shady tactics work if you don't get caught. And more often than not you don't.

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Interesting article. Even more interesting are the reponses with regard to your 'black hat' tactics of generating the buzz. There's no such thing as 'bad publicity', right? I myself have been wondering how to generate some buzz around my own fun side-project: http://www.tjetter.com - a site that allows you to chat with random strangers, as well as read (and replay) all conversations that take place at that very momen…

http://www.tjetter.com/#3jsK

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Where you crossed the line: "Most of them were along the lines of 'Breaking: cure to swine flu found [link to shirt]".

This is spam, black hat, whatever you want to call it.

You got 90% of the buzz machine figured out. Now you need to learn how to play it ethically.

Compare with my version of "0 to AP under a week": http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2009/02/27/make-your-way-to-the...

Good Hackers have ethics.

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Where you crossed the line: "Most of them were along the lines of 'Breaking: cure to swine flu found [link to shirt]". This is spam, black hat, whatever you want to call it. You got 90% of the buzz machine figured out. Now you need to learn how to play it ethically. Compare with my version of "0 to AP under a week": http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2009/02/27/make-your-way-to-the... Good Hackers have ethics.

Spam? Black hat? Do you even use Twitter? I'd advise you to go conduct a Twitter search for any given trend, and return with an assessment of the value those results carried. I'm wiling to bet that you'll find a good 99.9% of what you find to be 'spam.'

What I did was no different than what you see on television when you hear 'the cure to weight loss is here!' It's tapping into the human psyche and appealing to a very irrational part of the human mind. Just like how Apple markets their products as 'these will make you look hip instantly!' Sure, you could argue that because it was swine flu, I was dealing with a more sensitive and morally weighty issue, but I'm sure more people die every year of obesity, etc. And to be fair, the name of my account, flushirts, and the shirt linked, shirts that said 'oinkment' or 'theraswineflu,' did provide some context to those tweets.

You are more than justified in arguing that other things I did can be perceived as unethical. My use of Twitter, however, was not. I used it to directly communicate with those who were discussing a topic I happened to be catering to. And the 'Breaking:..' tweets were just a way to grab attention amidst a society in an irrational and unnecessary panic. That's how some marketing works. That's how Apple conducts its marketing, believe it or not, as subtle as it may be.

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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The tactics employed in that post are pretty much the reason I hate "search engine optimizers", "search engine marketers", et al. They're also the reason I end up on Hacker News instead of Digg and Reddit; people who expend so much energy trying to game the system end up ruining it.

While the author may have made a quick buck, they did so at the cost of their customer's trust and their own credibility. Once lost, they're impossible to regain. I think the author should follow Seth Godin or Gary Vaynerchuck for a while and learn the value of honest, permissions based marketing.

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Where you crossed the line: "Most of them were along the lines of 'Breaking: cure to swine flu found [link to shirt]". This is spam, black hat, whatever you want to call it. You got 90% of the buzz machine figured out. Now you need to learn how to play it ethically. Compare with my version of "0 to AP under a week": http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2009/02/27/make-your-way-to-the... Good Hackers have ethics.

Spam? Black hat? Do you even use Twitter? I'd advise you to go conduct a Twitter search for any given trend, and return with an assessment of the value those results carried. I'm wiling to bet that you'll find a good 99.9% of what you find to be 'spam.' What I did was no different than what you see on television when you hear 'the cure to weight loss is here!' It's tapping into the human psyche and appealing to a ver…

The use of twitter to interact directly with users that are interested in your space, I approve and recommend completely. It's one of the highlights of your post.

I'm objecting very specifically to announcing a cure for swine flu. I couldn't care less if 99% of the world uses those sames tactics. In my book, they are wrong.

And yes, I have been exposed to Apple marketing for quite a while now (~1985) :-)

Re: Getting Buzz: From 0 to (maybe) Forbes in under a week

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Interesting article. Even more interesting are the reponses with regard to your 'black hat' tactics of generating the buzz. There's no such thing as 'bad publicity', right? I myself have been wondering how to generate some buzz around my own fun side-project: http://www.tjetter.com - a site that allows you to chat with random strangers, as well as read (and replay) all conversations that take place at that very momen…

http://www.tjetter.com/#3jsK

Are you the one complaining about the 'godawful red'? :)

Anyway, suggestions on how to generate some buzz around this concept?

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