Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

jwz.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

251–260 of 274 posts

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#251

Post by yid »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #172
Orva wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I leave thousands of things left unread, and yet google reader makes it quite easy to keep up to date with whatever I feel like reading at the moment, without getting bogged down by all the stuff I don't want to read. It lets me categorize stuff hierarchically, and then drill down to what I want to look at, and maintains unread counts for each level, easily visible all at once. It's easy to see what categories/subc…

If Google were smart, they'd open-source Reader and let the people who love it maintain and run it (It's probably much too dependent on their architecture for this to actually be a viable option).

This is almost certainly impossible. Systems at large Web companies have tons of dependencies on internal systems, libraries and build tools. It would probably be easier to rewrite Reader from scratch rather than open-source it.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#252

Post by rachelbythebay »

a3_nm wrote: post #175
rachelbythebay wrote: post #2

Not many people seem that interested in my approach to solving the feed reading problem. I run my own backend and frontend and just let it fetch things for me. Then I periodically check in and flip through to see what's new. If I wind up on some new platform on which the web frontend doesn't make sense, I'll write a native one which speaks the same simple "POST in, AJAX out" language. No big thing. I set up a Kicksta…

> I set up a Kickstarter to turn it into open source and release everything I've written and then some You could also, you know, just release what you have as open source without asking people to pay $30,000 for the privilege?

It's not that simple.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#253

Post by 1123581321 »

carlio wrote: post #102
1123581321 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yoleo has been wonderful for me. I've been recommending it to everybody.

I found it to be awful. It's so slow. I presume this is an artefact of using it from Europe, and the developers not taking latency into account. I'm willing to overlook the bugs such as the same item appearing more than once in a feed (it's quite new), but the incredible slowness of it make it unusable for me. For example, I loaded it before writing this comment, and as of this point, it still hasn't finished loading…

Those are significant items that need to be worked on, but the main thing Yoleo does for me is feel good using it like Google Reader felt good several years ago. I haven't come across an RSS reader in awhile that didn't make reading feel like work.

I do wish the doubles would disappear, though.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#254

Post by gwern »

VikingCoder wrote: post #248
gwern wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. As part of writing http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns I read through scads of blog posts, forum threads, articles etc for figuring out which of the ~300 entries were paid; aside from a Google Maps API charge which very quickly blew over and has been forgotten, there were no blowbacks to Google starting to charge for something, much less your incredibly hyperbolic 'magnitude worse' blowback. Reader's…

People yowled at Google App Engine increasing its prices.

Yeah? Case in point, you see anyone still bitching about that in front page posts to HN?

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#255

Post by brownbat »

jwz hates web interfaces, wants an app.

No web version was a dealbreaker for me (until they fixed it). http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/tech/web/feedly-google-reader

I don't want an app of your website. I don't want to give you permission to access every I/O and stored file on my phone. I don't want to help you track me as I drive around town, not using your app, because you're curious why I'm not using it more often. I don't want your program to break if I have to use another machine or borrow a device from a friend (not that you ever should). I don't want your program to break if some company invents a better way to do computing than anything we've ever seen before, but your developers didn't anticipate the architecture, so they won't have an app out the door until that thing is killed off by the next wave. I don't want your program to break because my devices are different than the name brand most people use. I don't want to feed the illusion that a launcher in front of a webapp somehow makes it different, as if it's 1999 and applications are fast and stuff on the internet is slow.

Mostly, I don't want your fucking app: http://idontwantyourfuckingapp.tumblr.com/

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#256

Post by pbreit »

nikcub wrote: post #114

We learned a lesson that you can't rely on free services like Reader because they likely will eventually be shut down. Reeder is now asking for $5 per month so that is can be sustainable, so isn't the solution just to pay the $5 per month rather than asking one of the free products to imitate what you get from a paid product? You will just be at square one again anyway since even if Feedly does implement all of these…

Charging a fee is not remotely a guarantee of longevity. At all.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#257

Post by pbreit »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #2

Not many people seem that interested in my approach to solving the feed reading problem. I run my own backend and frontend and just let it fetch things for me. Then I periodically check in and flip through to see what's new. If I wind up on some new platform on which the web frontend doesn't make sense, I'll write a native one which speaks the same simple "POST in, AJAX out" language. No big thing. I set up a Kicksta…

I can't imagine there'd be much interest in so such a thing just to read blogs.

It probably goes without saying that, perhaps despite appearances, Kickstarter projects require a massive amount of marketing to have any hope of success.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#259

Post by veidr »

Concours wrote: post #237
veidr wrote: post #111

> I have no interest in reading my feeds through > a web site (no more than I would tolerate reading > my email that way, like an *animal*). I haven't laughed that hard at something I read in a blog post so far this year. And I agree wholeheartedly. Who gives a shit about Google Reader the website? (Apparently, a whole lot of people... but not me.) I only care about the syncing. Like Zawinski, I want a fast, awesome,…

I am the founder of http://www.feedsapi.org and this might be an option for what you are trying to achieve. It is not a typical rss reader but more a full text RSS to email service, this feature should allow you to read and organize your RSS news from any email client and any device, it syncs with all platforms as well. Like you already said, such a service can't be free but the pricing is fair and comes with a free…

That's actually very interesting! But, far too expensive for me. I would have to pay $348 per year to read the same stuff I read now for free with NetNewsWire + Google Reader.

Even though I don't actually read 15,000 articles a month, I definitely download that many to browse through.

Personally, I would pay maybe a tenth of that.

Re: Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

#260

Post by Concours »

StavrosK wrote: post #250
Concours wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stavros, that's exactly what we do at http://www.feedsapi.org , we make it simple for our users to read their full text rss feeds from the comfort or ANY email client and we also delivr those in realtime (under 60 seconds).

Oh man, your site is pretty but the initial summary is waaaay too intense: > Yes, Others May Offer “Real time” RSS To Email or RSS Readers for Free. But They Do NOT Fetch The Full Articles Content. They Do NOT Send Full Content but Only The Titles with Ads. They Do Not Fetch The Content in Real Time, They Call 15-minutes Real Time. We Check Your Sources Every 30 Seconds. That IS Real Time. They Do NOT Turn Shortened…

>I would love it if you provided an actual IMAP mailbox I could connect to and read RSS with my email client.

You can actually do that, all you need to do is set a filter+label in your email client or server. Works really well is you use Gmail but also works very good with the other email servers.

Post reply on HN