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Google Reader Apocalypse Extremely Fucking Nigh

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Post by RockyMcNuts »

melling wrote: post #146
sage_joch wrote: post #54

Google doesn't seem to realize that one of their most valuable assets is trust. And that trust has eroded a great deal in recent months.

It really is time to grow up. They have a product where they can't make money and can't fit it into their corporate direction. Good companies eventually cancel projects like this. Yes, we had a great product for free for a long time. Now it's time for someone else to fill the vacuum.

no, you seized control of an open RSS ecosystem with Reader and Feedburner, made those a platform no one could compete with, and then pulled the plug on the ecosystem.

If you don't even understand that, that's why you can't be trusted.

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Post by cbr »

ivank wrote: post #108

If you want the cached feed data from Reader preserved, ArchiveTeam is still collecting OPMLs: http://allyourfeed.ludios.org:8080/ http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google_Reader We've saved about 30M feeds (6TB gzip'ed text) so far, and ~44K unique feeds from a few hundred uploaded OPMLs that we didn't find in the billion of URLs we've crawled. We're also looking for (1) massive URL lists we can grep, in case y…

By "OPML" they mean the subscriptions.xml file in your Reader takeout .zip

It's a list of the feeds you follow.

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Post by pohl »

1123581321 wrote: post #73
snogglethorpe wrote: post #46

I don't really share most of jwz's specific complaints, but I've been trying to use feedly, and boy .... it's really hard to believe so many people are recommending this as a general Google reader replacement. Besides its somewhat quirky UI, the main problem I have with feedly is that it seems predicated on the assumption that you will more or less read through all articles, one by one, in order, and finish them. Tha…

Yoleo has been wonderful for me. I've been recommending it to everybody.

I wanted to love it, but it takes forever to load on my iPhone 5. The base page loads fast, but the Ajax call to fetch articles just spins forever. (I live in Omaha, Nebraska, fwiw)

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Post by anonymouz »

snogglethorpe wrote: post #46

I don't really share most of jwz's specific complaints, but I've been trying to use feedly, and boy .... it's really hard to believe so many people are recommending this as a general Google reader replacement. Besides its somewhat quirky UI, the main problem I have with feedly is that it seems predicated on the assumption that you will more or less read through all articles, one by one, in order, and finish them. Tha…

I've tried TT-RSS as a replacement and it works quite well. It's self-hosted, depending on your point of view that may be an advantage or disadvantage.

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Post by smackfu »

amirmc wrote: post #118
nikcub wrote: post #114

We learned a lesson that you can't rely on free services like Reader because they likely will eventually be shut down. Reeder is now asking for $5 per month so that is can be sustainable, so isn't the solution just to pay the $5 per month rather than asking one of the free products to imitate what you get from a paid product? You will just be at square one again anyway since even if Feedly does implement all of these…

Does anyone know for sure that $5 is actually sustainable? Just because it's non-zero doesn't automatically mean it'll be around for the long run.

Exactly. A few services have popped up that are $10 or $15 a year. Probably enough to pay for servicing your account but if the service isn't popular, and there are only 100 users, that developer is not going to commit that much time or energy to the service and may just pull the plug after a year or earlier. As long as they refund your money, you can't complain, right?

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Post by ianstallings »

Sami_Lehtinen wrote: post #128
seldo wrote: post #33

I appreciate his position but I have trouble taking advice on UI from somebody whose blog is eye-burning neon green text on a black background and has been since 1995. We know you're l33t, Jamie, you are a living legend. Can I get a readable color scheme already?

I think you got just a very bad monitor, if it doesn't have a green / amber switch. Simply go and buy a better one. Btw. Blog is completely missing the lovely slow phosphor trailing effect, it could be added with js. I was great that you were able to read text from monitor about 5 seconds after powering it off. - After quick Googling, I couldn't find pre-existing javascript to do it. It would be nice to make one.

A green / amber switch are you serious? Are you in a time machine?

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Post by ryanklee »

amirmc wrote: post #118
nikcub wrote: post #114

We learned a lesson that you can't rely on free services like Reader because they likely will eventually be shut down. Reeder is now asking for $5 per month so that is can be sustainable, so isn't the solution just to pay the $5 per month rather than asking one of the free products to imitate what you get from a paid product? You will just be at square one again anyway since even if Feedly does implement all of these…

Does anyone know for sure that $5 is actually sustainable? Just because it's non-zero doesn't automatically mean it'll be around for the long run.

Does anybody know for sure that anything is actually sustainable at any price point for any number of users?

Buying into a service, either through time or money means risk on the part of a user, no matter free or paid.

Something remains open or something closes. Who knows.

I hate to sound like a god damned schmuck, but there are no guarantees in life, not the least of which when it comes to such frivolities as rss feeds.

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Post by joosters »

cstross wrote: post #131
joosters wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apps are starting to support it, try using Feedler (on iOS, no idea if there is an Android version)

I thought you were flat-out wrong for a moment, then did some digging: Feedler 2.0 does indeed support Theoldreader, however Feedler Pro (which was what I was squinting at) is still on version 1.12.5, and only supports Google Reader. As Feedler 2.0 only showed up in the app store yesterday I assume the Pro version is stuck somewhere in the approvals process ...

Yeah, I've been using the free version for ages. When they added the old reader support, I bought the pro version out of gratitude, only to find a google login screen! I'm sure the pro app will get the update soon...

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Post by kokey »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #129
mzl wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the exact same use-case: big hierarchy of feeds, and just reading the ones I feel like at the moment. I switched to Newsblur, and apart from some small issues with the UI (which is getting better), I've been really happy. The iOS app is also nice. The downside is of course that it costs money, but it really isn't that much IMHO.

I also switched to newsblur, and I'm pretty happy with it. The UI is definitely clunky, but after you get used to it, it's really not so bad. It's free for some number of feeds, has a sane business model (i.e. it has any business model), the entire thing is open source, and it has an open API so you can build your own client if you wish! I've not felt the need to try any others since switching

I've actually tried Feedly first for a number of weeks and it drove me half insane for similar reasons to that of jwz. I switched to Newsblur and after a few buttons it goes into 'works almost like Google Reader' mode.

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Post by stegro32 »

jimhart3000 wrote: post #143
sleepyhead wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad it's ugly and has lots of ux-quirks.

Yeah, I finally tried out NewsBlur yesterday after waiting as long as possible to decide on a replacement. There's a lot going on there. I think I've more or less figured out what it's all for and how to navigate around, but one thing is still bugging me -- what's that orange triangle on the left of the feed area, that follows the cursor around unless you "lock" it, for?! Totally unexplained ux element.

I think (but am not certain) that when any part of an article moves past the orange triangle, it is marked as read.
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