Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
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Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#102I'm not normally in favour of "political" stories on HN but this one is an exception for three reasons. Firstly, mass surveillance and the end-run around the Constitution is a technological as well as social and political issue that also touches on the hot button issue of privacy and how the legal system is increasingly at odds with the Internet (eg distinguishing between "US persons" and "foreign persons" is increas…
I agree that it matters, and it's important, and so on. I also feel that it's something of a watershed in the site's history in that there are a lot more unrelated political articles appearing in its wake, with negative consequences for the quality of discourse and content here. I feel that, long term, if not checked, this will lead to a decline in the quality of the site. Actually... I'm a bit pessimistic in any case. This latest go round seems to have attracted/brought out people mainly interested in politics, so I'm not really sure there's much that can be done in any event.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#103I'm not normally in favour of "political" stories on HN but this one is an exception for three reasons. Firstly, mass surveillance and the end-run around the Constitution is a technological as well as social and political issue that also touches on the hot button issue of privacy and how the legal system is increasingly at odds with the Internet (eg distinguishing between "US persons" and "foreign persons" is increas…
Obama's twitter account is blithely tweeting about climate change (also important) when the blatant end run around the bill of rights should be one of the most important issues of our lives. If this kind of practice becomes the norm, then the 4th amendment is a hollowed out shell that once meant something, and future generations will never even know what it was like to be protected from unwarranted search and seizure.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#104I'm not normally in favour of "political" stories on HN but this one is an exception for three reasons. Firstly, mass surveillance and the end-run around the Constitution is a technological as well as social and political issue that also touches on the hot button issue of privacy and how the legal system is increasingly at odds with the Internet (eg distinguishing between "US persons" and "foreign persons" is increas…
> Ecuador too of all countries is taking an anti-US stance. It's a
> strange country to claim to be supporting human rights
If you're already on unfriendly terms with the U.S. it would seem to
be in your interest to undermine them and cast them in a bad light.You don't need noble intentions to score political points by accepting a high-profile refugee fleeing from a government largely hostile to you.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, English is not my first language. We do not have a downvote button. Major news is allowed here. This is an active story that a lot of people is interested in, and this means that a lot of posts about it is upvoted. Shouldn't the flag button only be about things that are not allowed? Not as a way to remove things you find not interesting? The issue here is that the upvoting is democratic. One person flagging po…
You can only moderate other upvotes by flagging the submissions they upvoted.
There's a clear distinction between the two.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#106> "Stories on HN don't have to be about hacking [...] but they do have to be deeply interesting."
I understand that many people here share your pessimism and this NSA business is surely getting tiresome for them.
It might be I'm just more naive and personally invested in this widescale spying thing because privacy on the internet is something I've always deepely cared about. But that's why, until this thing is sorted out (if at all, I have no idea how), all this wonderful technical stuff that's usually discussed here appears somehow less important in the lights of recent events (to me).
Edit: That doesn't mean that we should flood Hacker News with links to unreliable tabloid articles and force out the technical content entirely, of course. There has to be a middle ground.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#107This is understandable, Snowden is the classic Robin Hood character.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#108As a non-US HN'er, I totally agree with this. I come here for tech news, not US politics. Some HNer has set up a nice filter: http://diff.biz/?remove=%28nsa|prism|privacy|crunch|snowden|... It filters away all stories containing keywords nsa, prism, etc.
I too am not from the US, but this impacts me directly. Perhaps, even more so than US citizens, as they have rights (for the moment, at least).
It wouldn't be much of an issue if I didn't use Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, heck, even Oracle products. Not to mention that traceroute shows that most internet routes pass through the US, even if the destination is not there. After all, the fattest pipes are to the US.
I, and most posters here, have done nothing wrong. But the Stasi, if it still existed, might think otherwise. The US seems to be ok right now and focused on "terrorists" (real or imaginary), but we don't now who is going to eventually replace Obama.
I have faith that the american people will eventually put an end to the madness, before it is too late. But, in the meantime, please keep the NSA and Snowden news coming.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#109> But we all know essentially how this will end: Prism isn't going away and Edward Snowden's fate is grim. That's a very defeatist attitude. I'm sure that there are better arguments for upvoting or not upvoting these articles than saying "this story is not worth paying attention to because we are completely helpless, let's go back to talking about app store metrics".
Paul Graham, What you can't say. http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html
Please don't go and use words designed to shot down the debate.
Re: Ask HN: Can we please slow down the stories about Edward Snowden?
#110Please post more about Snowden, PRISM, NSA, GCHQ, and all the rest. I will upvote every one of them. For those who think that "we all know essentially how this will end", think about what the world would look like if every major change had been met with this kind of pitiful attitude. Every revolution, every change for the better, has come out of people rejecting that sentiment. It's not too late to turn away from the…
I agree with the sentiment, minus Snowden. We should be talking about this issue. Snowden is at this point immaterial to the larger issues unless he leaks more details. Discussing himself distracts from his purposes. His movements and people's opinions about his movements (which dominated HN this weekend) are of no consequence to PRISM and the NSA. The honest truth is we are no closer to discovering the truth about w…
There might be more problems in addition to what he helped uncover, but whether they are voiced might depend on what happens to Snowden.
You wouldn't halt QA process until you fix a critical security issue in your production system, especially if the fix might take some time. You'd probably be paying even more attention to improving bug visibility after such an incident, to make sure other problems are noticed in time.