WikiLeaks helps move Snowden on

Post by trevelyan » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 5:21 PM UTC

Svip wrote: post #10

trevelyan wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracy means the right of the people to informed consent about the actions of their government. With that in mind, this is hardly the story you should be using to project the United States as champion of democracy. Not only because the American people have been kept ignorant of what is being done in their name for no good reason (and those who try to stop this seem to end up either char-grilled or jailed), but bec…

Woah, you are assuming too much from my post. Where in my post did I say that the United States is a champion of democracy? Or perhaps a beacon of civil rights? If the context somehow suggested that's what I meant, then I apologise, that was not my intent. I merely wanted people not to make rash positive judgement about either Venezuela and Ecuador merely because they are supporting Snowden and Assange. And besides,…

Post by TsiCClawOfLight » Mon, Jun 24, 2013, 1:00 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #4

Svip wrote: post #2

"Democratic country"? Aeroflot confirmed (in another story) that they have a ticket for Mr Snowden to Cuba. With his most likely destination being Venezuela. I suppose if we stretch the limits of what 'democratic' means, then I guess Venezuela technically counts as one. I know Venezuelans who has left the country because of how terrible Hugo Chávez was. And I am not sure it has gotten much better under the new guy. N…

Some clicky links. ECUADOR: ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/... ) ( http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/ecuado... ) ( https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/ecuador ) VENEZUELA: ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/... ) ( http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/venezu... )