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Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by GoogleCache4NSA »

carbocation wrote: post #4

Link is down for me; here is a google cache copy: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...

Yeah, let's all tell google that we're visiting some subversive website. Then when the NSA scoops up the most recent dump of activity, they can correlate all the Verizon and AT&T IP addresses, and the Google cookies, and compile their... "list" of subversive Hacker News readers, right?

Something they wouldn't be able to capture via normal streams, since the HTTPS connection to commondreams.org masks the referrer info so that it can't be sniffed from any plaintext HTTP GETS.

Hey, I wonder why the site's down?

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

#42

Post by joelrunyon »

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

This is copy/paste the same exact response from the top thread on reddit[1]

Been seeing this a lot around here lately...Could be the same user, but I've seen it happening enough that I bet it's not.

[1] http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gxehl/chomsky_sp...

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

#43

Post by seanmcdirmid »

rbanffy wrote: post #39
patrickaljord wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel Really? You had to drag Israel into that? You're aware that the only "abuse" Arabs are actually angry about is the fact that Israel exists at all? I'm an Arab so let me tell you, any stupidity that is committed in the West Bank is overblown by Arabs to delegitimate Israel which is part of Arabs quest to get rid of Israel altogether. They consider the whole of Israel to…

danenania's point remains valid if the Israel part is omitted. I grew up under a military dictatorship endorsed by the US and I can tell you there are still lots of people very resentful of that support. Reducing foreign intervention is the cheapest way to demotivate potential terrorists. Unfortunately, doing so now would risk making them believe they won something.

That would only demotivate terrorists against us. They still have plenty of other targets. I don't see how isolationism for the states will actually make the world better. We tried it before, it didn't work.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jes wrote: post #28
danenania wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may sound crazy to you, but yes you do actually stand a greater chance of making peace with enemies and therefore reducing attacks from them if you stop shooting at them and bombing them and ask them kindly why they are flying planes into your buildings and then make a good faith effort to address those issues.

What do you recommend when dealing with an enemy that isn't interested in your good-faith efforts?

Well, the Europeans would just send diplomats around until they could conveniently forget about the problems, as usual.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by carbocation »

GoogleCache4NSA wrote: post #41
carbocation wrote: post #4

Link is down for me; here is a google cache copy: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...

Yeah, let's all tell google that we're visiting some subversive website. Then when the NSA scoops up the most recent dump of activity, they can correlate all the Verizon and AT&T IP addresses, and the Google cookies, and compile their... "list" of subversive Hacker News readers, right? Something they wouldn't be able to capture via normal streams, since the HTTPS connection to commondreams.org masks the referrer info…

If the NSA wants to know who most HNers are, it would be much easier to check our profiles.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

#46

Post by danenania »

joelrunyon wrote: post #42
danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

This is copy/paste the same exact response from the top thread on reddit[1] Been seeing this a lot around here lately...Could be the same user, but I've seen it happening enough that I bet it's not. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gxehl/chomsky_sp...

Whoa, weird. Nope, I didn't post this on reddit.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

#47

Post by emiljbs »

calibraxis wrote: post #3

There's a recent philosophical interview where middle-school students asked Chomsky some questions: ( http://www.zcommunications.org/noam-chomsky-beyond-fascism-b... ) I liked the discussion of proto-humans, and comparisons to other species. Helps put our violence and self-destructiveness into perspective for me.

Do you have any other nice interviews with Chomsky like that? I find it very hard (as a non-native speaker) to hear and understand what he says in interviews, so text is best for me...

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by discostrings »

joelrunyon wrote: post #42
danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

This is copy/paste the same exact response from the top thread on reddit[1] Been seeing this a lot around here lately...Could be the same user, but I've seen it happening enough that I bet it's not. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gxehl/chomsky_sp...

It looks like the reddit user "kaax" is taking insightful posts from HN and posting them on reddit [for karma?]. See the Bitcoin comments at http://www.reddit.com/user/kaax and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5929622 .

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by ars »

rbanffy wrote: post #39
patrickaljord wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel Really? You had to drag Israel into that? You're aware that the only "abuse" Arabs are actually angry about is the fact that Israel exists at all? I'm an Arab so let me tell you, any stupidity that is committed in the West Bank is overblown by Arabs to delegitimate Israel which is part of Arabs quest to get rid of Israel altogether. They consider the whole of Israel to…

danenania's point remains valid if the Israel part is omitted. I grew up under a military dictatorship endorsed by the US and I can tell you there are still lots of people very resentful of that support. Reducing foreign intervention is the cheapest way to demotivate potential terrorists. Unfortunately, doing so now would risk making them believe they won something.

> danenania's point remains valid if the Israel part is omitted.

You mean "only if". The Muslims who hate Jews (and via extension Israel), are happy to hate America without any help from America's policies.

It makes no difference what Israel does - they will hate Jews and Israel without reservations and without end. The only thing Israel can do is make them scared, which will hopefully keep their hate in theory and not in practice.

Danenania: Are you really naive enough to believe that if Israel makes "peace", and/or gives up land it will help? Israel made peace with Egypt, and gave up tons of land - but the people there still hate Israel and wish for its destruction.

Israel made peace with Jordan and gave up land and water - but the people of Jordan still hate Israel.

You really think it's America's policies that cause the hate? It's not. It's what America stands for - primarily freedom of religion, and the acceptance of secularism.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by D9u »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43
rbanffy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

danenania's point remains valid if the Israel part is omitted. I grew up under a military dictatorship endorsed by the US and I can tell you there are still lots of people very resentful of that support. Reducing foreign intervention is the cheapest way to demotivate potential terrorists. Unfortunately, doing so now would risk making them believe they won something.

That would only demotivate terrorists against us. They still have plenty of other targets. I don't see how isolationism for the states will actually make the world better. We tried it before, it didn't work.

Isolationism and non intervention are two divergent ideals...
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