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Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by personlurking » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:35 PM UTC

Ihmahr wrote: post #9

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

I agree. That is why I try to tell people around me exactly this. US is a terrorizing and terror generating machine.

It's the difference of one letter. War oN Terror vs. War oF Terror, with the latter being by the gov't, on the people.

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by Ihmahr » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:36 PM UTC

wslh wrote: post #10

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

I don't think the solution is trivial. There are cases of terrorism that have nothing to do with foreign wars.

Perhaps, but what if those billions were spend on safer cars or medical advancement? Surely those billions could save a whole lot more lives than by terrorizing the rest of the world.

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Post by abalone » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:38 PM UTC

Favorite quote: "Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists maybe in history."

"Suppose you are walking down the street and you don't know whether two minutes from now the guy across the street and everything around him is going to be blown away by a sudden explosion run by somebody a couple thousand miles away. You're terrorized. And in fact villages, regions, countries are terrorized by these [drone] operations."

Re: Chomsky: spying does not protect you

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Post by danenania » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:41 PM UTC

wslh wrote: post #10

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

I don't think the solution is trivial. There are cases of terrorism that have nothing to do with foreign wars.

So the way to deal with those outlying cases is to start wars and cause widespread violence that will generate 1000x more terrorism?

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Post by Spearchucker » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:43 PM UTC

personlurking wrote: post #5

Here's a video interview with Chomsky linked to within the OP's link ("What do Takism Square, Google Glass, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and NSA data gathering have in common? Find out in this interview with Noam Chomsky.") http://grittv.org/?video=noam-chomsky-on-secret-trade-deals-...

That reminds me of a question I've pondered - what will the impact of Snowden's NSA leaks be on a. the perception of Google Glass and b. on sales?

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:44 PM UTC

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

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Post by PavlovsCat » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:45 PM UTC

danenania wrote: post #14

wslh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the solution is trivial. There are cases of terrorism that have nothing to do with foreign wars.

So the way to deal with those outlying cases is to start wars and cause widespread violence that will generate 1000x more terrorism?

From the perspective of people who peddle weapons and fear to those who have to pay for the weapons and act on the fear, yes. That is exactly the correct response.

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Post by wslh » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:46 PM UTC

danenania wrote: post #14

wslh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the solution is trivial. There are cases of terrorism that have nothing to do with foreign wars.

So the way to deal with those outlying cases is to start wars and cause widespread violence that will generate 1000x more terrorism?

I am not saying that and don't want to enter into an infinite discussion about terrorism.

Just saying that the problem is complex. I don't live in US and my country was attacked twice, a hundred people killed, in the last 20 years.

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Post by danenania » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:48 PM UTC

glurgh wrote: post #7

danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

That's about as practical as asking people to kindly stop flying planes into buildings or blowing up buildings with day-care centers in them.

It may sound crazy to you, but yes you do actually stand a greater chance of making peace with enemies and therefore reducing attacks from them if you stop shooting at them and bombing them and ask them kindly why they are flying planes into your buildings and then make a good faith effort to address those issues.

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Post by danenania » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 9:52 PM UTC

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danenania wrote: post #6

There is a practical way to reduce terrorism and make the US and the world safer that won't cost a dime and doesn't require compromises on civil liberties. Stop starting and getting involved in foreign wars, stop supporting the abusive policies of Israel, and stop supporting corrupt and abusive governments around the world. You don't hear much about that option on TV, but it's by far the simplest and best course for…

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Yeah, that's not exactly leading edge psychology. It's pretty well known. How does that invalidate my conclusions?