Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.
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#13one must ask, why does the US have enemies?
As a non American, I take a perverse sort of comfort from that idea that it looks like the US government is as scared of its own people as it is foreigners. At least we foreigners and American citizens are in it together.
Truth is, we are enemies of US government behavior, not the United States of America or its fine people. We critical non Americans are actually arguing for America to be better, not worse. We want it stronger through fairness, justice and, well, just plain decent behavior. Not through cowardice, fear, and the bullying fist. Just imagine how powerful the US could be if the rest of the world actually liked and respected it, rather than feared it. People who fear you are not friends, they are people who will bite back the second they can.
However, what I'm not sure of is whether or not the US government is actually as the majority of Americans want it. It is a democracy after all. I realize that democracy is distorted by money and vested interests, but TBH, given what we know today about all that, surely the American voter cant use that as an excuse any more. All those nasty lying attack ad campaigns, the distortion of facts, etc.... we all know how that works. So, surely Americans cant be swayed by that sort of thing? Would it not be a bit daft to know you are being manipulated, but still go along with such manipulations? So, cant people vote smart?
I dunno.... Its all a bit of a mess.
Oh...... why so many enemies? Fear.
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#14I wonder if we will see a non-corrupt America within our lifetime.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Incidents like this one don't help, where bank robbers wore full suits of body armor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout ... probably because they expected SWAT. It's a bit of an arms race, literally, between the cops and the robbers.
That is also an exceedingly rare crime. It would have been acceptable to let the robbers get away, and then catch them later (if at all). Our cities are not war zones (thankfully). To put it another way, this is no different from saying that the police should be armed with anti-aircraft missiles, because of the 9/11 attacks.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is also an exceedingly rare crime. It would have been acceptable to let the robbers get away, and then catch them later (if at all). Our cities are not war zones (thankfully). To put it another way, this is no different from saying that the police should be armed with anti-aircraft missiles, because of the 9/11 attacks.
It's rare because police can handle it now. If you let head to toe kevlar robbers get away all the time, well, you'll have a lot of those types of attacks.
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#17 "They (NSA) have prevented a very large number of harmful actions"
"I don't see any alternative to trying to track all these groups
around the world who are trying to wreck the ordinary operations
of life in America and probably kill a lot of people. I am not
persuaded that they (NSA) have done more harm than good"
In an increasingly uncertain world, the opinion among most American leaders and figureheads, on either side of the aisle, about the need for increased domestic and international surveillance, has already calcified.For better or worse, they are overwhelmingly in favor of it. The debate being precipitated here and in mainstream media is largely symbolic.
It is time for privacy advocates to leave their dens and organize formally ( as in politically ) to advance their agendas. Washington only understands political clout whether it is a PAC or a lobby group.
Grassroots organizations will always go the way of Occupy Wall Street without formal leadership and a political consensus - lots of Zuccotti drama and nothing to show for it except for your obligatory iconic pepper spray photo.
You can mobilize politically in formal ways or bask in the warm glow of all the emotional outrage being voiced now and get your iconic photo spread.
Guess what?
The riots in Brazil have one too:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/a3b0bc19184f467fb7a70a2df6ee81a5/...
and nothing will come off those riots either. Wanna wager a candy bar?
Let's check back 3 months from now and I bet things will have gone back to where they were without any concrete action taken and the crowds going back to their usual quotidian lives.
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#18one must ask, why does the US have enemies?
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#19A bit off-topic, but related: there's also a huge increase in the number of federal agencies who are outfitting their own SWAT teams. (This type of service, if really needed, could be delivered by the FBI or local law enforcement) SWAT teams traditionally have been there to diffuse potentially violent confrontations -- to reduce violence. But in the last decade or so [correction: three decades], we've seen a change i…
Does that tie in to the recent stories about the Feds buying so much ammo? So many indicators lately that are disturbing. *edited to add link http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billio...
[1]http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&...
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#20one must ask, why does the US have enemies?
We are such a peace loving nation we would never do anything like finance a coup in a oil rich nation so we can murder and imprison the democratically elected leaders of a country in order install a tyrant so that we can hand over ex-British petroleum fields to American corporations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
Then later on we wouldn't do things like finance and arm both sides of a ethic war in the hope they would keep each other weak and easy for us to control.
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/rum...
Our government wouldn't do terrible things like sell weapons to a enemy of Israel using the government of Israel in order to finance anti-democratic warlords in Central America, even though Congress specifically said supporting such groups was illegal without them approving it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
When that failed we wouldn't do such things as import cocaine into the intercity and destroy the lifes of tens of thousands of poor black Americans in order to finance the warlords in a less discoverable manner.
And then murder the people we worked with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffic...
We didn't do things like smuggling heroin into the USA to finance the various assassinations, political coup, vote rigging, and terorrist training activities that we didn't secretly engage in from the 1950's through the 2000's.
http://www.corbettreport.com/the-cia-and-the-drug-trade-eyeo...
We would never do things like that. Because drugs are bad, M'Kay?. Because our US soldiers wouldn't being spending their time killing and dying in foreign lands, while protecting the drug trade and the primary source of income for their adversaries. And if they did that it would only be because we care sooo much for the farmers.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/14066.html
Nope. The USA is innocent.
The secret activities that the USA government and their invasions of your privacy, if they even occure, are obviously for your benefit. And if the NSA or CIA or Obama hit squads ever grossly infringe on the constitution they will be very careful to only infringe on it when it's necessary for your own safety. Because, darn it, they just care so much.
So yep.
This must be it:
They hate us because our freedom.