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Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by amorphid »

nayefc wrote: post #54
crocowhile wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know all this because this is a message from those countries. It's big middle finger to the USA. They are saying: we know exactly where he is and what he is doing but we are not going to stop him - because fuck you. If you read the HK press release, this is so well stated actually "Snowden is going to russia and we are not going to do anything about it. BTW, what about you spying our embassy again?".

We are all sick of the US acting like the big boss around the world. +1 to Hong Kong, Russia and the rest giving it the big middle finger.

My step-father told me a great story about the Cuban Missile Crisis. While Washington and Moscow at each other's throats, he was on a US Navy warship turning away freighters carrying missiles bound for Cuba. As his boat got close to the Russian ships, the crews on either side would wave at each other and take pictures. Regular ol' people to be friendly no matter their background and are not representative of how their governments operate! Please remember the difference between us Americans and the policy makers who represent us :)

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by wavefunction »

nknighthb wrote: post #33
crimsonzagar wrote: post #15

One question that I saw floating around on Twitter is how could the US Gov charge Snowden on espionage? Espionage doesn't apply or does it? Let's say you and I share some secret. When I pass that information you trusted in me to a third party (who is interested in acquiring that information) secretly for some favor (cash/kind) only then it becomes a case of espionage no? When I share facts that were meant to be confi…

I haven't seen the indictment, but I assume he's been charged under one or more provisions of 18 USC Ch. 37[1], otherwise known as the Espionage Act of 1917, which covers things like "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information". Dictionaries are not the final arbiter of criminal law. [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-37 Edit: Criminal complaint here: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/M…

"losing defense information"

Funny how none of the defense contractors that were hacked by the Chinese had to face these charges. Some rules for some, other rules for the rest of us.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by jzwinck »

pitiburi wrote: post #24
jzwinck wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In March, Maduro accused the US of trying to kill his opponent in the bid for President, right after accusing the US of giving Chávez cancer that led to the seat being empty in the first place. Some US politicians asked for a recount after the Venezuelan election, as has become customary. There was no recount. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/17/us-venezuela-elect... http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/12/world/amer…

Please correct yourself. There was a recount, and it ended up showing there was no irregularities. And No, it is not a partisan opinion. Unless you think Jimmy Carter and hundreds of other organizations controlling the vote AND the recount are part of a communist plot.

Well I won't edit my parent comment now because it might make your reply here look strange. But whether there was (or even should have been) a recount was hardly my point. It was just to illustrate that Washington has a history of political disagreement with Caracas, it goes both ways, and the recent elections haven't settled things.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by zepolud »

amorphid wrote: post #71
nayefc wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are all sick of the US acting like the big boss around the world. +1 to Hong Kong, Russia and the rest giving it the big middle finger.

My step-father told me a great story about the Cuban Missile Crisis. While Washington and Moscow at each other's throats, he was on a US Navy warship turning away freighters carrying missiles bound for Cuba. As his boat got close to the Russian ships, the crews on either side would wave at each other and take pictures. Regular ol' people to be friendly no matter their background and are not representative of how thei…

The Good American syndrome.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by a3n »

pyvpx wrote: post #63
tome wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like he's actually anti-US, rather than just pro-US-citizen.

yeah, these days any one promoting the Constitution and the values contained therein are anti-US /s

I was stationed at Pearl Harbor fairly far back in the previous century. There was a group of protesters just outside one of the gates, doing nothing but handing out copies of the Constitution to people leaving the base.

They were arrested for trespassing, as they were standing on usgov property. But they were really arrested because they were making trouble.

No, I don't remember their affiliation or what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe they actually were just troublemakers, which has never been against the law but which will always attract a smackdown.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by akjj »

rheide wrote: post #20

Why do we know all this? If he had such a perfect plan why does the whole world know where he's headed? Or maybe he's just really bad at keeping secrets.

It could be misdirection: Buy a ticket to Venezuela on Aeroflot expecting it to leak and quietly buy a Moscow-somewhere ticket on a different airline.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by nknighthb »

wavefunction wrote: post #72
nknighthb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't seen the indictment, but I assume he's been charged under one or more provisions of 18 USC Ch. 37[1], otherwise known as the Espionage Act of 1917, which covers things like "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information". Dictionaries are not the final arbiter of criminal law. [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-37 Edit: Criminal complaint here: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/M…

"losing defense information" Funny how none of the defense contractors that were hacked by the Chinese had to face these charges. Some rules for some, other rules for the rest of us.

Try reading the actual statute. I even linked to it. It requires gross negligence. Making wild assumptions does nothing to help our cause.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by wavefunction »

nknighthb wrote: post #77
wavefunction wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"losing defense information" Funny how none of the defense contractors that were hacked by the Chinese had to face these charges. Some rules for some, other rules for the rest of us.

Try reading the actual statute. I even linked to it. It requires gross negligence. Making wild assumptions does nothing to help our cause.

I guess I would consider exposing our next-generation fighter plans to the Internet gross negligence. That's all I'm saying.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by nknighthb »

wavefunction wrote: post #78
nknighthb wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try reading the actual statute. I even linked to it. It requires gross negligence. Making wild assumptions does nothing to help our cause.

I guess I would consider exposing our next-generation fighter plans to the Internet gross negligence. That's all I'm saying.

You can consider whatever you want to be gross negligence. The legal system, on the other hand, would look to things like the exact circumstances, the reasons things were done as they were, and whether and to what degree the relevant actions deviated from relevant rules, regulations, and standard practices in similar situations.

And unless you have all of that information, you can't possibly make that judgement.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

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Post by pekk »

nayefc wrote: post #54
crocowhile wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know all this because this is a message from those countries. It's big middle finger to the USA. They are saying: we know exactly where he is and what he is doing but we are not going to stop him - because fuck you. If you read the HK press release, this is so well stated actually "Snowden is going to russia and we are not going to do anything about it. BTW, what about you spying our embassy again?".

We are all sick of the US acting like the big boss around the world. +1 to Hong Kong, Russia and the rest giving it the big middle finger.

It will be much preferable, of course, to have Russia acting like the big boss around the world, or China.
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