Wow, Really Makes You Think As To How The Current Computer's Are Done. Maybe The Us Should Give The Students An Andriod Tablet, So They Can Do It Better.
Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
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Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has most to do with the student. If the student wishes to acquire knowledge, most American universities can provide the student with a great deal of knowledge. If you are not at such a university (unlikely, though some schools are significantly weaker in some disciplines than other schools, so YMMV), then such a university is generally just a transfer application away (protip: admissions standards are different…
I agree, and disagree. Having recently been a student in an American university, I found that in a number of my classes, having a wish to acquire knowledge puts you at a disadvantage. When the majority of your peers are "working in a group" (read: academically sanctioned cheating) and you are not, your grade is likely to suffer. I was able to grasp and learn the material better in the long run, but at the cost of not…
> This situation forces any student interested in maintaining a high GPA to focus more on the grade and not the material.
This also reflects almost every job in the post-university world: the skills required to keep a job are very different to the skills required to do a job.
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flagged. Lets keep xenophobic comments off HN. [Edit: s/racist/xenophobic as per conversation below]
It's interesting you assume he was being racist, rather than culturalist. I think it's equally valid to assume he was talking about mainland Chinese business culture. Is it controversial to say that mainland Chinese companies (as we're talking about here) commonly steal or clone business plans?
Please point me to the company BYD Stole from?
Or Tencent?
Or Alibaba?
The "copying" that you seem to be referring to, is no different to "normal business" in the US: Apple open a retail store, Microsoft open a retail store (or was it vice versa?) Is that "copying"? or is that "competition"?
Is it only copying when the parties are different races? or more controversially when one party is chinese?
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's ok, they only have to implement plans stolen from other companies.
Flagged. Lets keep xenophobic comments off HN. [Edit: s/racist/xenophobic as per conversation below]
There's enough corporate espionage happening in the US also.
Just 3 days ago, an officer at a certain US software company announced their intention to launder some open source code written 2 years ago by someone else and bundle it in the next version of their product.
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#75This isn't just a problem with Chinese students in China. A large for-pay cheating operation which catered exclusively to Chinese students was just uncovered in New Zealand, too. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8662224/Chinese-ch...
These are completely different issues (which you are simply conflating by race).
The exam mentioned in the article is THE exam. If you fail, that's it for you. You can't re-sit and you can't attend a reputable university. Your choices are the equivalent of technical colleges (few which have any reputation), working in low skill jobs, or (if you have A LOT of money) studying abroad.
Given the circumstances, I think cheating is the sensible thing to do, given their are cheaters, by not cheating yourself you put yourself at a disadvantage.
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#76This isn't just a problem with Chinese students in China. A large for-pay cheating operation which catered exclusively to Chinese students was just uncovered in New Zealand, too. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8662224/Chinese-ch...
These are completely different issues (which you are simply conflating by race). The exam mentioned in the article is THE exam. If you fail, that's it for you. You can't re-sit and you can't attend a reputable university. Your choices are the equivalent of technical colleges (few which have any reputation), working in low skill jobs, or (if you have A LOT of money) studying abroad. Given the circumstances, I think ch…
The term "Chinese" doesn't describe a race; it is descriptive of a nationality. And I don't see how the two issues aren't related at least at some basic level. Cheating at this scale seems to be a cultural phenomenon moreso than a racial one.
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
As opposed to the elite in the USA...
I went to school in the US. Anecdotally, the top students genuinely cared about learning. Most of the cheaters just barely got by, if that.
Anecdotal data point: My brother taught pure math in both Australia, and the U.S (in ivy league institutions). His view is that the quality of students in Australia (largely classless given the govt subsidies education so much) is leagues above the undergrads at top ivy leagues (who are there because of $$$).
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#78If everyone cheats and they construct a pilot enforcement program that focuses on .1 percent of the population, of course it's unfair. The real solution is to drop the cheatable system altogether. You aren't going to fix universal corruption with baby steps.
Cheating is not endemic within the gaokao system because, as a testing regime, it's excessively vulnerable to cheating. It's not any more cheatable than the SAT, GREs, or other standardized entrance or aptitude exams. Mainland Chinese society at all levels is thoroughly corrupt and its pretty much impossible to achieve what a reasonable observer would recognize as a materially successful life within the PRC without b…
This feels like a massive over generalisation (given the size of china)... Any kind of evidence of this?
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are completely different issues (which you are simply conflating by race). The exam mentioned in the article is THE exam. If you fail, that's it for you. You can't re-sit and you can't attend a reputable university. Your choices are the equivalent of technical colleges (few which have any reputation), working in low skill jobs, or (if you have A LOT of money) studying abroad. Given the circumstances, I think ch…
The term "Chinese" doesn't describe a race; it is descriptive of a nationality. And I don't see how the two issues aren't related at least at some basic level. Cheating at this scale seems to be a cultural phenomenon moreso than a racial one.
Well sure, technically, blacks aren't a race either, nor are whites or indians... technically we are All "human" but these semantics don't progress the discussion.
I agree that right now, given China's recent history and current state of affairs their is widespread corruption and exploitation. If that qualifies as "cultural phenomenon" then I agree, but I don't agree it was always there, and think it is more to do with the mao/deng transition and the massive injection of wealth into china since.
Re: Chinese students and families fight for the right to cheat their exams
#80I am a native Chinese and I must say this is something considered very abnormal in China.
The college entrance examination is one of the most important exam hold in the whole country level. If anything happen in this exam, the governor whom in charge of the area will lose a lot of score in their KPI performance.