Live data from Hacker News

Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

interfax.com

31–40 of 139 posts

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#31
post #20

Why do we know all this? If he had such a perfect plan why does the whole world know where he's headed? Or maybe he's just really bad at keeping secrets.

Do you think anyone taking a commercial flight is going to be able to hide that from US intelligence?

Since there's no one else for him to hide from, what's the point of not telling the public? On the contrary, he probably feels much safer knowing it's impossible for US agents to silently intercept him en route.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#32
post #29
post #19

I wonder who is funding all of this travel.

It's not so expensive.

You're right, of course. It's only $450 to go direct from Hong Kong to Moscow on Aeroflot. Perhaps I should reconsider my summer vacation plans. It costs more to visit my parents in Minnesota. Ugh.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#33

One question that I saw floating around on Twitter is how could the US Gov charge Snowden on espionage? Espionage doesn't apply or does it? Let's say you and I share some secret. When I pass that information you trusted in me to a third party (who is interested in acquiring that information) secretly for some favor (cash/kind) only then it becomes a case of espionage no? When I share facts that were meant to be confi…

I haven't seen the indictment, but I assume he's been charged under one or more provisions of 18 USC Ch. 37[1], otherwise known as the Espionage Act of 1917, which covers things like "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information".

Dictionaries are not the final arbiter of criminal law.

[1]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-37

Edit: Criminal complaint here: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_U.S.%20new...

As I expected, there are two Espionage Act charges, specifically:

18 USC 793(d) Unauthorized Communication of National Defense Information

18 USC 798(a)(3) Willful Communication of Classified Communications Intelligence Information to an Unauthorized Person

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#35

I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.

It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away.

So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong.

If anybody looks stupid, it's clearly the US Government.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#37
post #20

Why do we know all this? If he had such a perfect plan why does the whole world know where he's headed? Or maybe he's just really bad at keeping secrets.

We know all this because this is a message from those countries. It's big middle finger to the USA. They are saying: we know exactly where he is and what he is doing but we are not going to stop him - because fuck you. If you read the HK press release, this is so well stated actually "Snowden is going to russia and we are not going to do anything about it. BTW, what about you spying our embassy again?".

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#38
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In March, Maduro accused the US of trying to kill his opponent in the bid for President, right after accusing the US of giving Chávez cancer that led to the seat being empty in the first place. Some US politicians asked for a recount after the Venezuelan election, as has become customary. There was no recount. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/17/us-venezuela-elect... http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/12/world/amer…

Please correct yourself. There was a recount, and it ended up showing there was no irregularities. And No, it is not a partisan opinion. Unless you think Jimmy Carter and hundreds of other organizations controlling the vote AND the recount are part of a communist plot.

There was no recount, at least not one that would be considered acceptable by most standards. If I'm wrong please provide a link.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#39

I just loved that article a few days back about how brilliant he was for picking HK.

It was brilliant. Hong Kong didn't immediately jump when the US Government said to jump. It enabled Snowden to get away. So let's take score. US military has over a hundred bases globally. The CIA operates in over a hundred countries. The US intelligence budget is over $80 billion. The NSA can 'see' practically everything. And there goes Snowden, escaping on a common commercial flight out of Hong Kong. If anybody loo…

Or maybe the USG doesn't really think he's all that important.

Re: Snowden's destination is Venezuela through Havana

#40
post #34

So you fight for a better world seeking protection from the scum of the world? Damn contradiction.

Not a contradiction in the least.

The US is plenty scummy these days. It's busy completely violating the rights of its citizens, ignoring its own governing documents, acting just like a violent, thuggish 3rd world banana government. In fact, its behavior is exactly what I would expect out of someone like Hugo Chavez.

Enemy of thy enemy. It makes perfect sense. What you've got now is a showdown between scumbag nations.

Post reply on HN