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How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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"We're getting ready to hire our first employee. We've decided to go with an intern, because they are cheap, and if they turn out to be an idiot it's easy enough to get rid of them." How do you attract smart people to work at your startup? Not like that, I'm afraid.

The "because they are cheap" comment is definitely problematic. The best people are smart enough to know they have value. Of course, picking the best people is still a problem--no matter how much money is on offer, idiots will apply in larger number than great people (because great people are often being well-treated in their current position).

But the "if they turn out to be an idiot it's easy enough to get rid of them" is a big bonus for smart people. I've left contracts and jobs because the people around me weren't smart enough, or ambitious enough, to be doing the job they were hired to do, and yet they weren't cut loose. I don't want to screw around on a job where I know great things aren't going to come out the other end.

It may be hard to grasp everything everyone on the team is doing, and to know whether they're great at what they do (particularly if the project is large and has many individual pieces), but if you find yourself doing more work because of stupid stuff one of your team-mates is doing, it's a good sign that something isn't right. I don't know any great developer that enjoys that.

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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Wow, great answer. I didn't really understand where you were coming from in that "how do I spend my money" thread, but this post shows how it came about. I wanted to suggest in that thread that maybe you should use your greatest asset--the knowhow about creating startups--to help others prepare their YCombinator application or similar activity. By helping young people create startups (or make their YCombinator applic…

RE: [I didn't really understand where you were coming from in that "how do I spend my money" thread...] At the risk of hijacking this thread, I made that "Are you going to change the world" post after being up for 28 hours. I rambled too much and I see how easy it was to lose the trail. I actually only had a very brief, passing thought about going to medical school which I quickly discounted, for example, yet some pe…

How come you always apologize for your posts, when they are always so awesome? :)

I really enjoy reading what you have to say. Keep it up.

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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"We're getting ready to hire our first employee. We've decided to go with an intern, because they are cheap, and if they turn out to be an idiot it's easy enough to get rid of them." How do you attract smart people to work at your startup? Not like that, I'm afraid.

I can see how that may have come off as cynical. Let me clarify. We are based in Waterloo, Ontario. We will be hiring an intern from the University of Waterloo. Waterloo has an all co-op engineering program (at the cost of having no time off for students, and a 5 year program.), so even if you're hiring a 2nd year intern the guy already has a year of experience at 3 different companies (not bullshit experience either…

I'm a student who will soon (spring/summer) be looking for an internship with a start-up, so I was reading this from the other point of view trying to figure out how start-ups recruit so I would know where to look. As it turns out, I am in Waterloo as well.

I've been wondering for a while how much of a disadvantage I am in terms of getting an internship like this because I am not in the co-op program (besides advice and employment courses), as an employer do you give this much thought? (sorry to go off topic; I have talked to students about this but I figured I should jump at the chance to ask an actual employer.)

By the way, any chance you will be at BarCamp?

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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I suggest paying a few people for small tasks. You will find out that some people become really committed to the company, some people are really excited at first but turn out to be very flaky.

Have a long term hiring plan for finding excellent employees. In the interim, bring on interns/friends/outsource to India. Of course, this assumes you have some money to pay them.

Best of luck.

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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I can see how that may have come off as cynical. Let me clarify. We are based in Waterloo, Ontario. We will be hiring an intern from the University of Waterloo. Waterloo has an all co-op engineering program (at the cost of having no time off for students, and a 5 year program.), so even if you're hiring a 2nd year intern the guy already has a year of experience at 3 different companies (not bullshit experience either…

I'm a student who will soon (spring/summer) be looking for an internship with a start-up, so I was reading this from the other point of view trying to figure out how start-ups recruit so I would know where to look. As it turns out, I am in Waterloo as well. I've been wondering for a while how much of a disadvantage I am in terms of getting an internship like this because I am not in the co-op program (besides advice…

I'm not trying to be rude but they're looking for someone who is ready to do the task. If you wanted a chance to grow (as in someone to mentor you), you should definitely go to another place.

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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This is a good question. One way to answer this is to think of what I would want from the startup experience:

1) A chance to work with great people. This is by far the most important thing. And since a startup typically has only a few people, the chances of one of them being 'not great' is pretty small, as there is no room to hide.

2) The idea has to be in an area that appeals to me (opportunity cost of working on something that isn't interesting should be considered).

3) The work environment - this goes back to 1) again. More clearly, working with smart people who you actually like hanging out with would be ideal.

Perks and stuff doesn't really matter. The salary should be competitive, but I wouldn't really care 10-20% either way if the above conditions were satisfied. But at such an early hire level, a good chunk of equity would be a must (perhaps not for an intern, but something to think of if/when you decide to bring them on full time).

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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I'm a student who will soon (spring/summer) be looking for an internship with a start-up, so I was reading this from the other point of view trying to figure out how start-ups recruit so I would know where to look. As it turns out, I am in Waterloo as well. I've been wondering for a while how much of a disadvantage I am in terms of getting an internship like this because I am not in the co-op program (besides advice…

I'm not trying to be rude but they're looking for someone who is ready to do the task. If you wanted a chance to grow (as in someone to mentor you), you should definitely go to another place.

I'm sure they are. They also happen to be recruiting people from my university, and they are in a situation I will be on the other side of in a few months time. The fact that I am in Waterloo is relevant not because I want this specific internship (heck, I don't even know what it is), but because I am interested in the area's job market. Who better to ask than a local employer?

Re: How do you attract smart people to work at your startup?

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I can see how that may have come off as cynical. Let me clarify. We are based in Waterloo, Ontario. We will be hiring an intern from the University of Waterloo. Waterloo has an all co-op engineering program (at the cost of having no time off for students, and a 5 year program.), so even if you're hiring a 2nd year intern the guy already has a year of experience at 3 different companies (not bullshit experience either…

I'm a student who will soon (spring/summer) be looking for an internship with a start-up, so I was reading this from the other point of view trying to figure out how start-ups recruit so I would know where to look. As it turns out, I am in Waterloo as well. I've been wondering for a while how much of a disadvantage I am in terms of getting an internship like this because I am not in the co-op program (besides advice…

Are you at a disadvantage by not being in co-op? Yes, definitely. Get in co-op. Seriously, it's really hard to overstate how valuable this is.

However, a lot of companies that post jobs at UW also post them online. RIM for example hires hundreds of students from UW every term and their entire application process is online so you're probably not at a disadvantage there. Microsoft has their recruiting sessions here every few days it seems, so just attend one of those and hand out your resume. Now that Google has a branch in town just attend one of their sessions too.

If you're specifically looking to work for a startup, your best bet is to look up companies in the Accelerator Center (north campus, in the Research and Technology park.) There are about 15 startups there now. Terrapath and SuitedMedia are on a hiring binge, so just walk in there and talk to the president, you'll probably have a job on the spot. Don't be afraid, the guys there are all only a few years older than you, so don't feel intimidated at the prospect of just coming in and talking to the boss :)

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