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Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

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Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

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Post by betterunix »

mscarborough wrote: post #77
austenallred wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Which is why the petition matters - it forces a response from the White House. (Obama promised to respond to each petition that reaches 100,000 signatures)

These petitions don't really seem to matter -- there are plenty without a response. Previously, the administration "promised" to respond to all w/ 25,000 signatures. Now it's 100k. What policies have been affected in any way by these things? Takes about 5 seconds to sign one once you have an account, so the results seem to be pretty close to the effort it requires from the public. Voted for Obama twice but he's just…

"Voted for Obama twice but he's just as much of a liar as any other politician."

Then why did you vote for him? You had a lot of other options:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_...

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#102

Post by alan_cx »

rantanplan wrote: post #22
lignuist wrote: post #16

Mr. Obama, stop the madness now! You once have been a civil rights activist and you have been awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize. Doesn't it make you feel uncomfortable, to have switched the camp in just a few years? There is nothing wrong with becoming a nice guy again.

You really think that he's pulling the strings? That it's his call?

Actually, yes. He doesn't need money for elections any more.

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#103

Post by popee »

lignuist wrote: post #32
rantanplan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think that he's pulling the strings? That it's his call?

> You really think that he's pulling the strings? I have absolutely no idea. How could I, if everything is kept in secret? What I can do, is asking Obama, if he likes what he is doing. If his daughters like what he is doing. If he still believes in "change". If he wants to appear in history books in a row with Bush jr., McCarthy and Soviet leaders. I don't expect answers from Obama, but I can say, that I would not li…

But if you have terrorism in collective consciousness then you can end as savior of your nation? I just hope normal Americans are not so stupid to buy that shit anymore. Anyway, this is final test for You as nation.

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#104

Post by rantanplan »

alan_cx wrote: post #102
rantanplan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think that he's pulling the strings? That it's his call?

Actually, yes. He doesn't need money for elections any more.

So when I invest my money on you, to carry out a specific plan of action, you are free of your obligations by the time you get my money. Correct?

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#106

Post by nsns »

mpyne wrote: post #79
nsns wrote: post #65

Can't we simply utter "pardon Snowden" into our Skype or cellphone knowing it's being recorded?

Sure, but theoretically no one would hear you anyways unless they got a warrant. ;)

At least it will be stored for posterity.

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#107

Post by mscarborough »

betterunix wrote: post #101
mscarborough wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These petitions don't really seem to matter -- there are plenty without a response. Previously, the administration "promised" to respond to all w/ 25,000 signatures. Now it's 100k. What policies have been affected in any way by these things? Takes about 5 seconds to sign one once you have an account, so the results seem to be pretty close to the effort it requires from the public. Voted for Obama twice but he's just…

"Voted for Obama twice but he's just as much of a liar as any other politician." Then why did you vote for him? You had a lot of other options: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_...

Not to be off-topic but because you asked...

Because the only other real options for P/VP in 2008 and 2012 were even scarier to me each time, and I live in a swing state. I also wasn't wowed by the third party candidates (but have voted for third party candidates before).

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#108

Post by jedberg »

melling wrote: post #68
austenallred wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but honestly that's OK. It's a small step, but for the president to have to come out and say, "I recognize that a significant number of the American people support this man who is convicted of espionage, but..." is a pretty novel thing.

100,000 isn't a significant number of people. You are living in a HN echo chamber. I'm not sure most Americans care. I'd love to know exactly what the NSA is doing. There needs to be some sort of oversight, of course, but they certainly have a job to do. I recently heard former President Clinton talk about it and he was somewhat convincing that there are certain restrictions. At any rate, aren't we venturing into pol…

> I'm not sure most Americans care.

And of those that do care, a majority feel that he committed treason and needs to be brought to justice.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/17/cnn-poll-maj...

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#109

Post by jedberg »

kdkdkdkdkdkdk wrote: post #44
joe_hoyle wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The petition is not evidence of the public being against what the administration is doing, as it only represents the people who want Edward Snowden pardoned, not the "opposite" view, if such a view exists.

Go ahead and create another petition that asks for Edward Snowden not to be pardoned and to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and I bet that it hardly gets any signatures. Edit: This is a response to several of the replies. I'm assuming of course that nobody within the government would game the petition system. If we've gotten to the point were they would impersonate people in a petition to the white house…

A majority of Americans feel that he is guilty of treason:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/17/cnn-poll-maj...

Re: Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures

#110

Post by jivatmanx »

Nrsolis wrote: post #91
freyrs3 wrote: post #7

Expect a response pretty much like this: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/why-we-cant-commen...

This petition wont change anything. We have REAL petitions every 2/4/6 years. It's called an election. You want change, that's how you get it.

So, you are satisfied with providing one bit of information every four years? Do you think a Democracy can be sustained with this level of input?
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