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Re: How to Do Philosophy

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Better? What does that mean in this context? How do you compare a consciousness to a 'supreme state of existence', for value or otherwise? Who can perceive both, to perform such a comparison? Hate to be unpoetic, but how is a star anything more than a big ball of burning gas? I don't feel humans are 'better' than stars. The only loosely related comparison I can think of is complexity: there is more to know about huma…

>Who can perceive both, to perform such a comparison? Our fourth dimensional overlords. It's really tough to go anywhere with this conversation because it quickly hits the limits of what our consciousness can express. I feel that our consciousness is missing something that would allow us to understand why the big ball of burning gas exists on a higher plane of existence than us. This is of course completely impossibl…

Yes, our reasoning platform is not made to deal with this kind of stuff, but it's fun, in a perverse way, to see where can it take us.

Kinda like passing a bitmap image to an audio player, or passing it through a mp3 compressor and loading the resulting data in an image viewer, trying to discover anything interesting in the output.

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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On the use of language, try reading up on E-prime. When you change a sentence from "This food is tasty" to "This food tastes good to me" or "That is a tree" to "That looks like what I understand to be a tree", a lot of these issues around language become clearer.

Who is the master who makes the grass green?

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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yes, but what is "self?" what is "interested?" How does the meaning change when you put "self interested" together as a phrase? As Paul mentioned in his essay, you're already bumping into what words mean. I can tell you what an integer is, what a square root is, and what a ratio is, and as a result, I can (by looking it up in a book and typing in the text, heh heh) prove that the square root of 2 can't be expressed a…

"Self" and "interested" never appear in isolation in the above example, so we can only speculate on their precise interpretations when used in isolation. However, the compound concept "self-interested" has a well-defined meaning, even in casual, every-day conversations. Calling into question the meaning of "self-interested" is merely a filibuster.

I couldn't disagree more. "Self interested" absolutely does not have a well understood meaning in casual, every-day conversations. It's one of the most ambiguous terms out there.

Try this out: at a dinner party (one that you don't care if you're invited back), declare that "all people act out of self-interest, ultimately."

Odds are good that two people will disagree quite vehemently about this, and at the core will be a fundamental disagreement about what it means to be "self-interested".

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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First, to Paul: I have really enjoyed a lot of your essays; most are very insightful and/or motivational, keep up the good work. I have to ask, what's up with the word wrap? On one hand the articles are formatted for a 80 lines terminal, and the comments do not render OK on my 1920*1280?

I have been reflecting along the same lines for a while, here are few thoughts, if anyone is interested.

Philosophy is constructed from two words and could be translated literarily from Greek as: love of knowledge. This implies a "lover", and from this individuality in the act I see flowing a lot of the problems you describe.

From my understanding, Wittgenstein main point is: "meaning is usage". This is a generalization that is a centrality of philosophy itself; Russell alludes to it in "the problems with philosophy" as he sets the reader on a quest to right something that can't be.

Here's my reasoning: since no two person can use a word in exactly the same way, the inherent imprecision of language and of philosophy as a construction is a feature not a bug, a v.useful one still; ever had this epiphany moment of having a great idea because you misunderstood someone?

If you set off to generalize enough on practical philosophy, I guess you get to the wisdom expressed in sayings and in illustrations; they convey by high bandwidth a particular pattern of analysis from one individual to another one that seeks wisdom, but one would be hard pressed to call receiving (as in "idee recues") sayings as a philosophical endeavor.

The way I now see philosophy is it's a quest to a personal worldview acquired through a personal love for knowledge. It cannot be exact nor absolutely true unless you're a dictator or a cult leader. This is why the idea and "ideators" are so closely associated; people talk about A.Rand because through her constructed world view she gives an ethic that have seducing finalities; however as you point out, objectivism as she conceived it cannot be perceived again by a human being let alone brought to new heights.

I find that reading inherently imprecise philosophical material can give very strong insights exactly because of the words are soft, and impact each unique individual in a different way. The ones that are not purposefully unreadable that is (Foucault?), in this I agree with you. "I", as my existing uniquely individual self, personally agree with you; another unique entity that defines itself as an ensemble of cells and electric currents. Seriously, I find it rather unconvincing that because you cannot pinpoint self, or soul, you negate something as evident as individuality, from which "I" choses to defines itself. I guess this fits "l'air du temps", ref Dawkins, Pinker and co. It has the smell of groupthink tho.

 (BTW, evilmonkey your comment got me ROTFL)
Best regards, Francois Payette

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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First, to Paul: I have really enjoyed a lot of your essays; most are very insightful and/or motivational, keep up the good work. I have to ask, what's up with the word wrap? On one hand the articles are formatted for a 80 lines terminal, and the comments do not render OK on my 1920*1280? I have been reflecting along the same lines for a while, here are few thoughts, if anyone is interested. Philosophy is constructed…

He thinks that 80 character widths are inherently more readable on a screen.

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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Cause and effect is a complex thing, but at least partly because of Paul Graham, I quit a 9-5 job and tried to start a startup. Whether that was a wise thing to do or not, given the circumstances, is quite another question. :-) So PG's a pretty useful philosopher, at least according to his own test: "The test of utility I propose is whether we cause people who read what we've written to do anything differently afterw…

That only follows if the arguments that prompted you to quit are of philosophical nature.

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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PG, you ought to read Chuang Tzu and then revise your essay accordingly. Not only was his work relevant to the topic, but also he started before Aristotle and affected a greater fraction of humanity. Until then you better rename your essay "How to do 3 Greeks + 1 Austrian". Parochial.

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This comment causes the whole page to be too wide. Could a moderator please mark it dead?

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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First, to Paul: I have really enjoyed a lot of your essays; most are very insightful and/or motivational, keep up the good work. I have to ask, what's up with the word wrap? On one hand the articles are formatted for a 80 lines terminal, and the comments do not render OK on my 1920*1280? I have been reflecting along the same lines for a while, here are few thoughts, if anyone is interested. Philosophy is constructed…

He thinks that 80 character widths are inherently more readable on a screen.

That doesn't explain the ridiculous width of this page. This is a problem specific to this thread, caused by a comment which contains a very long line without whitespace.

Re: How to Do Philosophy

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I dunno about math. But conclusively telling people in clear terms that we were all monkeys once asserts equality of humankind in a brutally ironic way.

Does it? Gorillas were all monkeys too, and they are not equal to us[1]. I agree thinking about evolution can give you an insight on human rights. It's interesting to reason about how moral rules emerge from certain social traits, and why have such traits proven evolutionarily stable. [1] I don't mean humans intrinsically 'deserve' 'rights' that other living beings don't.

Historically one of the tools that was used to keep racism on the move was stories about ancistry.eg.Africans were told that they have no history, that all the ancient historic structures that they saw were built by a lost white race that lived there. Similar stories can be found in all cultures propagating racism, Inside Hinduism they had stories which claimed some people descending from the gods while the others just happened to be standing around.

This is what was broken quiet unintentionally by Darwin,

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