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U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?

i'm down. i work close to union square. should we create a meetup? let me know. i'm down.

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Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#23

I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?

The problem with marching in SF is nobody takes marches on SF seriously -- something is being protested daily.

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Meanwhile, the petition to pardon him[1] only needs ~8000 more signatures to require a response. [1]: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

The response they've given in the past to pardon petitions isn't much of a response at all. I expect a similar non-answer here. Cf. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/why-we-cant-commen... https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/why-we-can’t-comme...

No matter. It's a gesture. A hundred thousand people giving them the bird.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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post #3

Meanwhile, the petition to pardon him[1] only needs ~8000 more signatures to require a response. [1]: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

The response they've given in the past to pardon petitions isn't much of a response at all. I expect a similar non-answer here. Cf. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/why-we-cant-commen... https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/why-we-can’t-comme...

I don't expect much of a response either, but I still think it sends an important message, if this gets over the threshold (and it looks like it will).

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#27

So now is the time to identify the federal prosecutors who filed this and petition the government to have them fired. In addition, of course, to asking for a complete pardon for Snowden. It also should be noted that any of the Congressional investigations into this mess are perfectly capable of giving Snowden a grant of immunity from prosecution. People ask what to do. There are at least two avenues open to nip this…

I actually don't think charging him is inherently bad. If he in fact took 4 government property laptops with him, that's a crime, at the very least.

Ideally, pre-trial investigation and a trial would be fair way to find facts. It's entirely possible minor crimes (violating classified NDA, taking laptops, etc.) would be non-conviction based on other information, but on its face, I don't really have a problem with initial steps to investigate.

Congress would probably be a better venue for this than the courts, though.

Being charged is also pretty much necessary for asylum somewhere, too. (not essential, but it strongly helps)

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#28
post #23

I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?

The problem with marching in SF is nobody takes marches on SF seriously -- something is being protested daily.

you made a good point, but you never know unless you try. i'm happy to take an hour out of my time for this man.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#29
post #9

So now is the time to identify the federal prosecutors who filed this and petition the government to have them fired. In addition, of course, to asking for a complete pardon for Snowden. It also should be noted that any of the Congressional investigations into this mess are perfectly capable of giving Snowden a grant of immunity from prosecution. People ask what to do. There are at least two avenues open to nip this…

Does anyone else smell "Friday Night News Dump"?

Yes, I am surprised at how quiet they've been this week. Must've grown tired of having every new denial answered with a new document showing them to be lying again.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#30
post #5

Meanwhile, the petition to pardon him[1] only needs ~8000 more signatures to require a response. [1]: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

Odd: I looked at the page an it said 7023 signatures required. Refreshed it to see if there was any delta and now it says 7041 signatures required. So 18 signatures have disappeared?

https://github.com/WhiteHouse/petitions Looks like they're running mongodb. Maybe they just forgot to set the write concern.
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