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Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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"Dogshit developers get paid 50k to start. Good ones are over 100k. You just have to have actual skills." Because how much someone makes determines if they're dogshit or not.

I think you have your cause and effect backwards. Being paid 50k doesn't make you a bad developer. But bad developers tend to get paid less. At least, one would hope...

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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post #21
post #13

"Dogshit developers get paid 50k to start. Good ones are over 100k. You just have to have actual skills." Because how much someone makes determines if they're dogshit or not.

I think you have your cause and effect backwards. Being paid 50k doesn't make you a bad developer. But bad developers tend to get paid less. At least, one would hope...

Developer pay seems to be mostly based on "years worked", not on merit.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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I find this particularly tingling because Tucker himself is a perfect example of doing things. He gets a lot of flak from people calling him a poor writer and lambasting him for writing about some of the "finer" topics in life. Yet, he is a New York Times bestselling author, and his detractors are not.

He's the worst kind of shitty writer. He's clearly intelligent. His writing is shit because he doesn't care.

Why should I spend time reading him if he doesn't put time into the quality of his writing?

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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Often, people confuse swirling ideas seeking form in their head for creativity.

I think the other situation is more common: smart people with swirling unique thoughts keep them hidden because they don't consider themselves creative.

I'm yet to meet such a person. Probably it's just uncommon in the IT crowd, which is highly open to ideas and meritocratic.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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I don't like X, therefore I won't consider X's arguments. That strategy seems like a great way to never learn anything except whatever confirms your own biases.

I didn't say he wasn't right about this. Just regret that I provided traffic to his site.

That still makes no sense.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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"In my free time I try to keep my house clean enough so that the kids don't manage to vibrationally attune it to the elemental plane of trash." "Oh, was that not what you wanted me to say?"

That isn't the same as "a person who doesn't do much of anything". I think it's more in the spirit of "what hobbies do you have" / "what kind of activities do you like".

Have you tried having small kids and managing to get some free time for hobbies? It's more challenging than it seems, and usually takes 6-7 years to resolve itself.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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post #22
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have your cause and effect backwards. Being paid 50k doesn't make you a bad developer. But bad developers tend to get paid less. At least, one would hope...

Developer pay seems to be mostly based on "years worked", not on merit.

That depends heavily on who the developer in question works for.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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I find this particularly tingling because Tucker himself is a perfect example of doing things. He gets a lot of flak from people calling him a poor writer and lambasting him for writing about some of the "finer" topics in life. Yet, he is a New York Times bestselling author, and his detractors are not.

He's the worst kind of shitty writer. He's clearly intelligent. His writing is shit because he doesn't care. Why should I spend time reading him if he doesn't put time into the quality of his writing?

Nobody reads Tucker Max hoping to catch a glimpse of literary genius. His stories are pure content, and his audience likes that. Fans want to hear Tucker's stories about sexual exploits and blackout drinking, and don't particularly care whether or not said exploits are described using alliteration.

So you shouldn't spend time reading him, because you aren't his intended audience.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't the same as "a person who doesn't do much of anything". I think it's more in the spirit of "what hobbies do you have" / "what kind of activities do you like".

Have you tried having small kids and managing to get some free time for hobbies? It's more challenging than it seems, and usually takes 6-7 years to resolve itself.

Yes. Both with autism. It is challenging, but not impossible. You have to do more than just a hobby. You have to manage time, energy, and money.

Re: Don't Look for Talent, Find People Who Do Things

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post #13

"Dogshit developers get paid 50k to start. Good ones are over 100k. You just have to have actual skills." Because how much someone makes determines if they're dogshit or not.

After rereading that, I think all he is saying is that $50k is the floor. In other words, if you can get in the door you're making $50k no questions asked.
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