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NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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post #10

Title should really say "NY State Senators." (It used to say NY Senators which I would assume is NY US Senators, but it's been changed.)

"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

#12
post #10

Title should really say "NY State Senators." (It used to say NY Senators which I would assume is NY US Senators, but it's been changed.)

"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Last I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

#13
post #6

Because the government is completely ran by corporations and Musk isn't in "the club" (yet). Gone are the days where the consumer is uneducated and the supplier doesn't have a way to easily and effectively communicate with customers everywhere from anywhere. There's a pretty good doc on Netflix, "Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream", which covers some of the financial backing of congress and how it affec…

No need to bring out the big conspiracy guns, this is just good olde' local corruption.

You restated his point, less dramatically.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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post #3

Any evidence to back up Musk's claim? Being a Senator's employee must be annoying sometimes. "Hi, I'm calling to defend Telsa Motors because its CEO told me to. No, I do not know anything more about the topic I am calling about"

I bet it does get annoying trying to find ways to spin your boss's servitude to a cartel of car dealerships as somehow being for the benefit of the public.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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post #3

Any evidence to back up Musk's claim? Being a Senator's employee must be annoying sometimes. "Hi, I'm calling to defend Telsa Motors because its CEO told me to. No, I do not know anything more about the topic I am calling about"

How does this bill effect Telsa? Does Telsa have it's own company run franchises in New York or something?

I've read the bill (http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A07844&term...) several times now, and it only seems to prohibit the franchisor from forcing franchisees from doing certain things.

I'm not seeing text in here like, "We hereby force all franchisors to sell cars through franchisees." or "Selling directly to consumers is prohibited." or anything of the sort.

I am not a lawyer, perhaps someone more familiar with how selling cars works want to explain?

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Last I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.

Congratulations, you missed the point.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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post #6

Because the government is completely ran by corporations and Musk isn't in "the club" (yet). Gone are the days where the consumer is uneducated and the supplier doesn't have a way to easily and effectively communicate with customers everywhere from anywhere. There's a pretty good doc on Netflix, "Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream", which covers some of the financial backing of congress and how it affec…

As the founder of SpaceX he probably has more back door political leverage than if he was the CEO of Ford or GM (or he is about to get it.)

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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post #3

Any evidence to back up Musk's claim? Being a Senator's employee must be annoying sometimes. "Hi, I'm calling to defend Telsa Motors because its CEO told me to. No, I do not know anything more about the topic I am calling about"

How does this bill effect Telsa? Does Telsa have it's own company run franchises in New York or something? I've read the bill ( http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A07844&term... ) several times now, and it only seems to prohibit the franchisor from forcing franchisees from doing certain things. I'm not seeing text in here like, "We hereby force all franchisors to sell cars through franchisees." or "Sell…

Planet Money had a good article on this:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/02/19/172402376/why-buyi...

Basically dealers have codified protections via the franchise laws(even in places like Texas, North Carolina, etc), and this hinders the direct sale of autos. Not just from Tesla, but also CarsDirect, Costco, etc.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Last I checked, bills get introduced by representatives, not auto dealers.

According to links to the state.ny.us links posted above; Zeldin, Carlucci, Gantt, Heastie, Jaffee, McDonald, Abinanti, DenDekker, and Mayer are all sponsors of the bill.
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