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Re: This is a web page

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You couldn't be more wrong.

Actually, he couldn't be more right. This post is the internet equivalent of a newspaper article, really simple and some people will like it, but you can't really sell anything in that format or build a community. Modern, design based websites, are the equivalent of magazines. People would rather read the Economist in color than (insert newspaper here) in black and white by far.

You are missing the point. Words are the backbone of any deliverable content. You said it yourself, in your own words: "...people would rather READ the Economist in color than b & w...," which I agree with.

And you can sell plenty with just words. I'm not harking on design. I think design is just important as anything else is. What I am saying is that words are like vital to life itself. Just like air, water, and food is.

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Hipster huh? Well what about Lycos, remember that search engine?

Remember the search aggregators, like Magellan (maybe Columbus? Something like that) that searched X different engines and aggregated the results in a desktop app for you to use? Then I found Google, and I never used anything else again.

That's what Dogpile did - at one point - albeit as a regular browser search engine, which was its allure to me. I often got better results than on Google, which must have been around their formative stages.

Re: This is a web page

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"At it's heart, web design should be about words." No. The web is not just a place for text / words, that is not its heart and soul, and therefore neither is that the case for web design. It really never has been. I see no great argument in favor of words being the core over any other form of expression. Today's bandwidth more than allows for beautiful video, animation, high quality graphics and photos, etc. Or low k…

Exactly.. without the graphics, audio, plugins, etc... it may as well be gopher, which most browsers don't even support anymore.

I don't get why the above post is so inflamatory to some... I used to use gopher, don't recall the ui all that well, but it was useful. Most browsers early on supported gopher as a protocol, and most do not today. And without the support of richer media (from images, to audio, scripting, even plugins) the web would not have been nearly as successful.

Re: This is a web page

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If that's all you have to say, better to say nothing.

I respectfully disagree with this ethos of positivity or nothing. Criticism is a valuable thing. We don't want our discourse to resemble some sort of Christian summer camp.

Not positivity or nothing. Substance or nothing.

Re: This is a web page

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I don't think posting a comment counts as "web design". Nobody said "writing comments shouldn't be about words".

There is a "design" to this page. It just doesn't include pictures, videos, hover bars, animated banners, nor advertisements for weird tricks to lose weight. This site is about the flow of textual information. I like a usable application interface as much as the next guy, and am quite happy to see native interfaces (even if they aren't my beloved WPF ;-) rise back into prominence so that the hyper-text transfer proto…

The people who built HN did the web design you speak of; Web design is not what users posting comments are doing.

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You are already able to do this; simply disable stylesheets or as you said use a reader app. We've already discussed using technology like adblocker. Your issue therefore is not with the design but rather with the browser. There is nothing preventing you from using a text-based browser or even writing your own. I do not know if you are a developer, designer, or something else, but you must realize that minimalism is…

I appreciate where you're coming from and I'm sorry if my earlier comments came off as snippy. But I do think the influence of design on the web has been too heavily tilted towards the publisher end and not enough towards enabling the consumer. I have the skills and experience to retool my browsing experience for my more minimalist aesthetic, but most consumers experience the web as something more like an animated ve…

I agree that ads can be garish. I just see this as a separate problem from design itself.

Recently XKCD made me think about how minimalism fits into design. For example, entirely text-driven:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_pace_of_modern_life.png

... and more visually oriented:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/balloon_internet.png

Obviously there are many ways to communicate ideas, and each in various contexts can be quite effective.

Re: This is a web page

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Implying we should 'fix' Eternal September is pretty close to implying we should keep important technology out of the hands of those the current users deem unworthy. That prevents both spam and the Arab Spring, both 4chan and Wikileaks. Keeping the Internet as it was prior to 1991, when commercial access was first allowed, means keeping it a small, controlled entity with obvious choke points that make it trivial to c…

I completely disagree with your statement. Maybe there is a bigger question: 'Is crossing the chasm to widespread adoption always a good thing?' Maybe we should be trying to build platforms that are high-quality instead of high-quantity. We are caught in a world that is obsessed with inclusion rather than exclusion. Is that, by necessity, the default position? Should it be? The internet contributed to building suppor…

> Wikileaks is not new. We used to have a little thing called 'investigative journalism',

We still do. And, historically, it never got us anything as important as cablegate.

> Technology does not motivate moral growth.

Technology enables moral growth by reducing the amount of morality-crushing cruelty we're exposed to on a daily basis and allowing our natural morality to flourish. It's easier to care about others when you haven't just lost your child to smallpox.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/pinker07/pinker07_index.html

> Nazi Germany was the most technologically advanced society in the world

They were, at best, on a par with the rest of the Western World, and, frankly, mismanaging themselves into defeat due to the very nature of their society.

The idolization of the Nazis as being so efficient and so advanced is due to what some Western observers thought before the war, when Hitler was using basic Keynesian-style pump-priming in the form of military spending to get the country out of the Depression, mixed with a few largely worthless wonder-weapons, such as the V2 rockets and the early jets, which did nothing to win the war.

> The reality is that we are segmenting ourselves from other internet users just by taking part in the HN community. Most people here would admit, the minute HN would spread to the point of being widely adopted, we would all leave. I don't come to HN to be inundated with cat pictures. I'm here because I learn things every time I visit a link posted on HN.

This is true but it misses my point: Everyone can have their little niche space, which is amazing if you're not an upper-middle-class heterosexual cissexual white male who would have niche spaces anyway.

Gays can have spaces where being gay isn't weird. Trans people can have spaces where being trans doesn't mean you get your head kicked in. That kind of social interaction was pretty well impossible before the Internet, especially in places like Iran or Alabama, where advertising that you are 'a certain way' could be an invitation to violence.

The Internet is both a network of linked networks and a community of linked communities; both aspects are vital to what it is and what it can become.

Re: This is a web page

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post #396

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Pretty sure YouTube is transported over HTTP. Not sure about Netflix but I wouldn't be surprised. HTTP has become a generic TCP wrapper for the common request->response pattern.

It is not transported over HTTP, although it does make use of HTTP at the Application Layer. It is transported over TCP, which is a Transport Layer protocol. Yes, I'm being pedantic and annyoing.

People are using HTTP as a transport layer, e.g., websockets.

Re: This is a web page

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I would actually argue that raw text is not 'responsive,' because column widths that are as wide as a large monitor are incredibly difficult to read.

That's a good point, but you are sort of redefining responsive. The unstyled HTML (not raw text) will still flow to any size window. The problem you mention can be fixed with a "max width", as in the original article.

I'm not sure that there's a universally agreed upon definition, but I think my comment certainly is relevant if we go by the one on Wikipedia: "Responsive web design (RWD) is a web design approach aimed at crafting sites to provide an optimal viewing experience—easy reading and navigation with a minimum of resizing, panning, and scrolling—across a wide range of devices (from desktop computer monitors to mobile phones)."

Re: This is a web page

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post #396

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It is not transported over HTTP, although it does make use of HTTP at the Application Layer. It is transported over TCP, which is a Transport Layer protocol. Yes, I'm being pedantic and annyoing.

People are using HTTP as a transport layer, e.g., websockets.

Websockets are the transport layer, built over TCP. Websockets happens to use HTTP as a protocol. That doesn't mean HTTP is the transport layer.
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