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Re: We were wrong

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Post by tomjen3 »

emingo wrote: post #2

Maybe I was raised by a bunch of rabid dogs... But after reading the cached page... I really don't understand what the creator did wrong? He was a guy that I a lot of people can identify with, whom is publishing a book about his experiences? Is seduction intrinsically bad?

Apparently for these people seduction = violence against women.

I haven't seen such a broken thinking process anywhere else. If anything seduction is about giving women what they really want. That said it does have a somewhat, hmm, sketchy reputation which is no doubt related to a combination of loathing for men who have a difficult time getting laid and the extreme marketing tactics that those kinds of guides are usually sold with.

And seduction isn't inheriently bad, but there are still some around who are trying to be politically correct and seduction isn't exactly something you are supposed to talk about in polite company.

Re: We were wrong

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Post by throwit1979 »

josh2600 wrote: post #9

Great apology. Right to the point, no dodging blame, and an acknowledgement of the debt to society. Now, that being said, is this not a take on the book "the game", about picking up women? Am I missing something or is Kickstarter now picking and choosing what is "good" content? Obviously they have to do this to some extent, but where is the line drawn?

As it is with everything else, the line is drawn at "if enough people become offended".

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Post by patrocles »

Kickstarter should claim safe-harbor as they are a conduit.

This case means they open themselves up to being required to censor every project for every jurisdiction. Kickstarter apparently views the cost of that censorship as much less than the community cost.

Seems unlikely to be the case.

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Post by freehunter »

vacri wrote: post #18
Tichy wrote: post #3

I guess to understand this one has to consider that Kickstarter is based in puritan America?

I'm not sure where you get that from. Puritans have never been big on the rights of women.

Puritans in 1600, no. Puritan America in the 2000's, sex is a very taboo subject, especially when it comes to women.

Re: We were wrong

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Post by eco »

emingo wrote: post #2

Maybe I was raised by a bunch of rabid dogs... But after reading the cached page... I really don't understand what the creator did wrong? He was a guy that I a lot of people can identify with, whom is publishing a book about his experiences? Is seduction intrinsically bad?

I'm confused too. The blog post mentions violence against women and sexual-violence several times. The cached page is unreachable for me but I suspect a "seduction guide" doesn't advocate hitting women. Seduction guides are often sleezy from what I've seen and appear to be more effective at taking advantage of lonely men than they are about taking advantage of women. The blog post stops just short of calling this a rape guide though which I highly doubt is the case.

Re: We were wrong

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Post by deong »

blairbeckwith wrote: post #6

Reading some of the comments on that blog post, I left thinking: Am I a terrible person? I just don't see what's wrong with this project, and I certainly don't see the link between it and "sexual violence" – where is Kickstarter making this connection? Say what you will about the seduction community, my very brief and infrequent encounters with it have been largely positive and I left thinking that they were a genera…

Grabbing a woman's hand and forcing her to touch your exposed penis is, I think, sexual violence by almost any reasonable standard.

Re: We were wrong

#37

Post by Dylan16807 »

blairbeckwith wrote: post #6

Reading some of the comments on that blog post, I left thinking: Am I a terrible person? I just don't see what's wrong with this project, and I certainly don't see the link between it and "sexual violence" – where is Kickstarter making this connection? Say what you will about the seduction community, my very brief and infrequent encounters with it have been largely positive and I left thinking that they were a genera…

The relevant quotes were not on the kickstarter page itself.

Re: We were wrong

#38

Post by j546 »

emingo wrote: post #2

Maybe I was raised by a bunch of rabid dogs... But after reading the cached page... I really don't understand what the creator did wrong? He was a guy that I a lot of people can identify with, whom is publishing a book about his experiences? Is seduction intrinsically bad?

That's because the project page itself was done in a way that doesn't raise any flags. But if you dig into what his book actually contains, then you'll see what's wrong with the project.

In all honesty I don't blame Kickstarter for approving it originally because at face value the project does seem harmless, but nevertheless they f'ed up and admitted to their mistake and I applaud them. It's never easy to admit you were wrong.

Re: We were wrong

#39

Post by bayesianhorse »

citricsquid wrote: post #29

How does removing the kickstarter project after funding has taken place work for the backers? Do the backers no longer get their rewards? Does the project creator have no access to the backers information? Will Kickstarter refund the backers out of pocket? Strange situation.

The backers shouldn't have a bone with the that project. They should have seen the issue themselves before backing.

Re: We were wrong

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Post by e1ven »

vacri wrote: post #18
Tichy wrote: post #3

I guess to understand this one has to consider that Kickstarter is based in puritan America?

I'm not sure where you get that from. Puritans have never been big on the rights of women.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/puritan

2: one who practices or preaches a more rigorous or professedly purer moral code than that which prevails

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