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Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by mpyne »

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning.

But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh?

2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. The prosecutor had to make that declaration already, so it's not something they can back out of. But I guess lies are only wrong when said by the government?

3. I'm not so sure that they would want him to take credit for the tens of thousands of persons killed in the aggregate from Arab Spring uprisings. Even if we consider the formation of democracies a benefit worth the price, that same exact logic would also justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq...

3a. "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information...". Contrast with "The information that Bradley gave to the public has been a catalyst for pro-democracy movements in the Arab world...".

Alright guys, either have the cake, or eat the cake. If he truly catalyzed the Arab Spring then some number of persons died as a result of the leaked information. If no one died because of information he leaked then why try to claim credit for those uprisings?

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by mpyne »

akiselev wrote: post #2

Nobel Peace Prize nominee? Citation? Nobel Laureates are expressly prohibited from talking about the nomination process until 50 years after the fact.

Eh, in fairness I've seen that done before in far less momentous circumstances.

LT A: "Hey EM1, I'm putting you up for Sailor of the Quarter."

EM1: "Uh thanks sir, but do you think I'll win?"

LT A: "LOL, not a chance in Hell this cycle with MM1 also in the competition. But it'll help on your eval."

A couple of months later, and so it comes to pass. "NOMINATED FOR SOQ" as an eval bullet.

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by streptomycin »

mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

About 3... so you're saying that foreign aggression based on lies is morally equivalent to a local revolution as long as both ostensibly have some similarities in their end goals?

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by jivatmanx »

mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

3:Democracy is self-rule by the people. If it's forced from outside, it's not a Democracy.

Besides, Democracy promotion wasn't even the original rationale for the war. That was "Saddam helped do 9/11". Then it was WMD. Only when those failed was Democracy promotion used as the final fallback rationale.

I'm not saying that Iraq cannot possibly be a legitimate Democracy, but it hasn't yet had the moment of national consensus that that real ones have had at their formation.

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