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Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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Re: Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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I don't see what's insightful or "brilliant" about this. Quite common sense about working with technology, really, just packed in metaphors.

It is insightful for software engineers because we feel like we're building things when in fact we're just providing a service which will likely be gone and forgotten 10 years from now. That's why I find it's important to also have other pursuits that allow you to point at a permanent physical object and say "I made that"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing his point. None of what you listed is what Steve Jobs made. He made Apple I, Apple II, MacIntosh, etc. He was talking about his legacy. And he was right about it. I think if you had asked him specifically about software engineers working on underlying technology, he probably would have recognized that. After all, he was working on NeXT there, which was using that same technology. This clip actu…

NEXTSTEP (now OS X) is over 20 years old. I programmed for it and much about it is still the same under the hood.

I am reminded of this quote:

“This, milord, is my family’s axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation . . . but is this not the nine-hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y’know. ”

Written by Terry Prattchet, spoken by the Low King in The Fifth Elephant.

(quoted online from http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/terry%20prattchet)

Re: Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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Steve Jobs might not be right about this. Apple's latest and greatest operating systems still implement quite a bit of functionality from Unix, which is much more than 10 years old. They still implement and use ASCII, JPG, TCP/IP, etc. Most mathematical papers, paintings, and churches don't inspire awe 200 years later. The vast majority are lost to time. Only the most original, revolutionary, or useful cultural artif…

I think you're missing his point. None of what you listed is what Steve Jobs made. He made Apple I, Apple II, MacIntosh, etc. He was talking about his legacy. And he was right about it. I think if you had asked him specifically about software engineers working on underlying technology, he probably would have recognized that. After all, he was working on NeXT there, which was using that same technology. This clip actu…

Agreed, but also http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_...

Re: Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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Steve Jobs might not be right about this. Apple's latest and greatest operating systems still implement quite a bit of functionality from Unix, which is much more than 10 years old. They still implement and use ASCII, JPG, TCP/IP, etc. Most mathematical papers, paintings, and churches don't inspire awe 200 years later. The vast majority are lost to time. Only the most original, revolutionary, or useful cultural artif…

In a way, his work supports the work of UNIX and Ritchie. He states that tech work on a large scale is often like setting pavement. UNIX APIs are a progression of that. The fact that many can use a computer without understanding the underpinnings of an OS is a testament to Jobs.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NEXTSTEP (now OS X) is over 20 years old. I programmed for it and much about it is still the same under the hood.

I am reminded of this quote: “This, milord, is my family’s axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation . . . but is this not the nine-hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y’…

What you’re describing is also known as Theseus’ Paradox, and has been with us for 2 millennia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Re: Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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Steve Jobs had such a way with words. I personally love this quote: "This is not a field where one paints a painting which will be looked at for centuries...This is a field where one does his work and in ten years it is obsolete." I loved the metaphor: "It's sort of like a sentiment of rocks. You're building up a mountain and you get to contribute your little layer of sedimentary rock to make the mountain that much h…

This inventive use of language, resembles the way all LSD heads speak.

They can't solve a hard problem, but they can sure come up with a half-fake metaphor that semble's a solution.

There is an entertaining razzle dazzle aspect to these folks, but in the end these people and their words are self-contradictory tosh.

On top of that, these people are on the verge of psychosis, after abusive drug use in their earlier lives.

It's oh-so-difficult to imagine a hippie selling luxury goods, given that we have steve.

I'd rather stick with virtuous gutter idiots, than be steve.

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Steve Jobs had such a way with words. I personally love this quote: "This is not a field where one paints a painting which will be looked at for centuries...This is a field where one does his work and in ten years it is obsolete." I loved the metaphor: "It's sort of like a sentiment of rocks. You're building up a mountain and you get to contribute your little layer of sedimentary rock to make the mountain that much h…

... unless your Steve Jobs, in which case you get to stand on top of the mountain and tell everyone else how to build it.

Superiority snark is more effective when spelled correctly.

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Steve Jobs had such a way with words. I personally love this quote: "This is not a field where one paints a painting which will be looked at for centuries...This is a field where one does his work and in ten years it is obsolete." I loved the metaphor: "It's sort of like a sentiment of rocks. You're building up a mountain and you get to contribute your little layer of sedimentary rock to make the mountain that much h…

> "It's sort of like a sentiment of rocks. You meant 'sediment of rocks'? > Steve Jobs had such a way with words. Oh absolutely. There are so many classy lines from him. And some of these lines are going to impact our industry for years to come. Take for example: The 'Post-PC era'? Damn just those three words. They paint an altogether new story that is going to be written all over again! It gives an excitement and pu…

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Re: Steve Jobs Ponders His Legacy In Never-Before-Seen 1994 Video

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post #18
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing his point. None of what you listed is what Steve Jobs made. He made Apple I, Apple II, MacIntosh, etc. He was talking about his legacy. And he was right about it. I think if you had asked him specifically about software engineers working on underlying technology, he probably would have recognized that. After all, he was working on NeXT there, which was using that same technology. This clip actu…

NEXTSTEP (now OS X) is over 20 years old. I programmed for it and much about it is still the same under the hood.

But again, NeXTSTEP was not his product, the entire machine was.

So while part of the NeXT Cube or Pizza Box that were his products live on in today's Macs and iOS devices, nobody except "those rare geologists" is still using those workstations that were the result of his work.

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