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MySQL man pages license change is a bug

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Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#11
post #6

> started pulling in man pages with the wrong set of copyright headers And how has the wrong set of copyright headers ended up on said pages?

Applying Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Witty. Now please demonstrate how it looks applied to this case.

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#12
I found the jump to assume that Oracle decided to stick it to the MySql community telling of the community's trust of Oracle's commitment to MySql as an open source database (and not just from the echo chamber that Hacker News can be sometimes ... I was greeted with this news upon starting work this morning from two different colleagues, neither of which frequent this site).

My sense is this originates from a few perceptions of Larry Ellison and Oracle: (1) Oracle does give a whip about Open Source software. (2) Oracle charges so much for their primary RDBMS technology that it would only be natural for them to undermine MySql as an open source database technology (a view I, personally, share despite evidence to the contrary). (3) As a tech, in a past life, I've had to support Java on the client side for some really poorly written Java apps. Aside from the experience being utterly awful due to this horrible app, I have little trust for a company that installs toolbars alongside critical patches and then defends the practice when called out.

I'm finding my view of Oracle is so negative (maybe I've been supporting Oracle software for way too long?) that I'm not going to be fully convinced this was a bug until the "wrong set of copyright headers" is fixed. That's pretty sad since it makes little sense that Oracle would relicense just the man pages in some sort of conspiracy to squeeze a dime out of its customers.

Either way, it's always a good reminder of my personal favorite variation of Hanlon's razor: Where there are gaps of understanding, people jump to the worst possible conclusion.

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#13
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applying Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Witty. Now please demonstrate how it looks applied to this case.

Replace "malice" with "conspiracy to eradicate open-source MySQL" and "stupidity" with "bugs in the packaging code".

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#15
post #2

I prefer to imagine Larry Ellison wringing his hands saying "Curses! And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" Also he's in an abandoned fairground for some reason.

In front of a sign saying "Scott McNealy's Open Source Wonderland"

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Witty. Now please demonstrate how it looks applied to this case.

Replace "malice" with "conspiracy to eradicate open-source MySQL" and "stupidity" with "bugs in the packaging code".

Good, good, almost there. Now elaborate on "bugs in the packaging code" part.

What does "the wrong set of copyright headers" do in a vicinity of the packaging pipeline and how it came to exist in the first place. It's easy to throw around flashy one-liners. It's a bit more work to actually try and read into the facts presented.

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replace "malice" with "conspiracy to eradicate open-source MySQL" and "stupidity" with "bugs in the packaging code".

Good, good, almost there. Now elaborate on "bugs in the packaging code" part. What does "the wrong set of copyright headers" do in a vicinity of the packaging pipeline and how it came to exist in the first place. It's easy to throw around flashy one-liners. It's a bit more work to actually try and read into the facts presented.

As has already been stated on this same page, there's a community edition and a commercial edition. They're likely part of the same packaging pipeline.

Do not be condescending on Hacker News when someone is responding to your question. It's easy to jump to conclusions. It's a bit more to actually try and understand what happened - that is the point of Hanlon's Razor. This may have been intentional, yes. But it may also have been a bug.

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good, good, almost there. Now elaborate on "bugs in the packaging code" part. What does "the wrong set of copyright headers" do in a vicinity of the packaging pipeline and how it came to exist in the first place. It's easy to throw around flashy one-liners. It's a bit more work to actually try and read into the facts presented.

As has already been stated on this same page, there's a community edition and a commercial edition. They're likely part of the same packaging pipeline. Do not be condescending on Hacker News when someone is responding to your question. It's easy to jump to conclusions. It's a bit more to actually try and understand what happened - that is the point of Hanlon's Razor. This may have been intentional, yes. But it may al…

> Do not be condescending on Hacker News when someone is responding to your question.

Do not dispense unsolicited advice on the Internets. That wasn't a reply. It was a highbrow remark that was as generic as it was barely applicable. A proper reply was the sibling comment that pointed at two editions.

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As has already been stated on this same page, there's a community edition and a commercial edition. They're likely part of the same packaging pipeline. Do not be condescending on Hacker News when someone is responding to your question. It's easy to jump to conclusions. It's a bit more to actually try and understand what happened - that is the point of Hanlon's Razor. This may have been intentional, yes. But it may al…

> Do not be condescending on Hacker News when someone is responding to your question. Do not dispense unsolicited advice on the Internets. That wasn't a reply. It was a highbrow remark that was as generic as it was barely applicable. A proper reply was the sibling comment that pointed at two editions.

The context was implied and definitely applicable. This is now becoming pedantic so let's invoke Godwin's law and stop valuable electrons being pushed around for no reason.

The nazis did it.

Everyone happy now? :)

Re: MySQL man pages license change is a bug

#20
post #15
post #2

I prefer to imagine Larry Ellison wringing his hands saying "Curses! And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" Also he's in an abandoned fairground for some reason.

In front of a sign saying "Scott McNealy's Open Source Wonderland"

Unfortunately, Oracle shut down the Wonderland project as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Wonderland
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