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DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I recall correctly, DDG claims not to keep a record of your searches, so a subpoena would not provide anyone with much information.

Yep, exactly. Now, this makes me wonder: What could be an equivalent implementation for e-mails. An e-mail host that encourages immediate download, totally deletes e-mail contents, deletes logs of any sort, etc. when you delete messages?

I'd be happy even with a host that allows you to delete e-mails en masse, or auto-delete them after a set period of time, say 180 days, which is how much is necessary to pass before the US government considers e-mail "free for all".

You could also try Bitmessage or Retroshare, where e-mails are automatically encrypted, and P2P (no central server).

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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They run a tor exit enclave which is really, really, cool; there is a blog post about it here: http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-o... One motivation for switching: they have lots of "gadgets" like Google, and will take suggestions and/or apparently let you develop new ones. Here is a cool example: https://duckduckgo.com/goodies#Programming/crontab_0_0______... Another useful feature: https://…

That is pretty awesome. I'm curious: was the privacy focus by the DDG guys always there, or was it pushed after they found it was a nice advertising point? Either way, I think this is a good enough reason for me to finally make the switch.

I remember the first time (about 6 months ago) I took a look at their about page there was a big emphasis on them not tracking your searches, so I think the sentiment has always been there.

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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Oh that's cool. I'd forgotten they had the traffic up online. I was wondering how many people had switched over to it over the last week (I've gone back to using it as my default engine again - not for the first time). How many queries does google process per day? 1B? DDG is up 1M in the last week. So it could realistically represent a 0.1% drop in traffic for google - or am I way off somehow? It's not unrealistic to…

Google processes 100B/month[1], so 1M is closer to 0.03%.

[1]: http://searchengineland.com/google-search-press-129925

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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They run a tor exit enclave which is really, really, cool; there is a blog post about it here: http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-o... One motivation for switching: they have lots of "gadgets" like Google, and will take suggestions and/or apparently let you develop new ones. Here is a cool example: https://duckduckgo.com/goodies#Programming/crontab_0_0______... Another useful feature: https://…

That is pretty awesome. I'm curious: was the privacy focus by the DDG guys always there, or was it pushed after they found it was a nice advertising point? Either way, I think this is a good enough reason for me to finally make the switch.

When you look at the timeline[1], the first event is "DontTrack.us", a website[2] dedicated to pointing out google tracking, and linking to DDG in the end.

So privacy has always been their focus. It is a nice advertising point, but pushed from the beginning.

1: https://duckduckgo.com/traffic.html

2: http://donttrack.us/

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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If NSA could subpoena Google, they can (and probably do) do the same with DDG. Not that I don't wish them success, but PRISM is not the right reason to switch search engine to them.

DDG logs very litte information...so while NSA can subpoena DDG, there's no data to get. Developers should read "Playing chicken with cat.jpg" [1] which was a response from cperciva [2] to the 37 Signals privacy blunder. It was discussed quite a bit on HN [3] and for me it was a perspective-changing read on privacy. [1] http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2012-01-19-playing-chicken-w... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/u…

Why bother asking DDG itself when traffic can be intercepted and logged at their ISP?

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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Google's strategy is to profit from advertising. It fundamentally benefits from knowing as much about its users as possible. Every tactic it has will always support that strategy or it will risk failure.

You can tell its strategy motivates it toward evil (its term, not mine), because its slogan is "Don't be evil."

It chose that slogan because it risks being evil, in its own terms. It doesn't need a slogan like "Don't be unprofitable" or "Don't break the law" because its strategy doesn't point it in those directions. It points to being evil, in its terms.

Why else would a company feel so compelled to stop itself from doing evil than to make its most prominent slogan to stop itself? If its strategy didn't point it in that direction, why else would it try to stop itself from stopping being "evil"? All the brilliance of its engineers, managers, leaders, deals, and so on exists to support the company's strategy, which it realizes motivates them so much toward "evil" it has to stop itself as its highest or at least most public directive.

"Don't be evil" exists to make the place palatable to humans who understand the company's direction. Who made the slogan? The people who know the company's direction best. They know it better than you and they realize its direction.

Google has a technically superior product to its competitors. When you realize its most knowledgeable and powerful employees know its strategy points it to "be evil", you realize why people use alternatives whose strategies don't point them to "evil," especially when current events highlight the consequences of its strategic choice of knowing so much about you, its users.

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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I am one of those that have changed to DDG after the scandals. So far it feels like I find my results as quickly as I used to do with Google. One nice feature that I just found: under the Privacy tab at https://duckduckgo.com/settings you can change so that the query is sent as a HTTP POST parameter instead of a GET parameter. That way your ISP can't find out what you are searching for (assuming you have https enabled).

Re: DuckDuckGo Sees Record Traffic After NSA PRISM Scandal

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I am one of those that have changed to DDG after the scandals. So far it feels like I find my results as quickly as I used to do with Google. One nice feature that I just found: under the Privacy tab at https://duckduckgo.com/settings you can change so that the query is sent as a HTTP POST parameter instead of a GET parameter. That way your ISP can't find out what you are searching for (assuming you have https enable…

It shouldn't matter if you are using GET or POST - how would your ISP find out anything about your request if you are using HTTPS?
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