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Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

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Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#11

Post by runjake »

Kylekramer wrote: post #4

Seems to be blaming a lot of ills of the App Store that are larger or unrelated than the top list to the top list. Rich get richer is just the nature of the beast in capitalism. The rock bottom prices are more due to the elasticity of price of phone apps compared to many products. After all, you have prominently reported top lists for movies/games/music for decades and they certainly aren't getting cheaper. Top lists…

He may be trolling, but its probably not far from the truth.

Other than releasing the Android source, Google doesn't really play any part in most Android devices on the market. Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store.

On the manufacturer's side, they rush out devices with subpar hardware (and hardware bugs), build, and software. And getting system updates is a game of prayer.

It's important to remember that for Google, Android is a means to an end: to get people using their services and in turn get eyes on ads and gather demographic info. They aren't selling Nexus devices at cost/a loss for nothing.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#12

Post by supercoder »

Thats fine for someone to say with no apps in the app store.

His previous app kept around 7 - 8 in his category chart and so he definitely benefited from the top charts.

Giving total exposure control to Apple would be an absolute nightmare for most developers that didnt have the exposure Marco does.

There are plenty of good apps, that Apple arent sometimes interested in, that users are, that do well by climbing the charts rather than being picked by some guy in Cupertino.

Marco is completely out of touch.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#13

Post by gfodor »

More than getting rid of the top list is that the App Store has a search model from 1995. Let me buy keywords, run experiments, optimize paid placements, and give me tools to perform SEO for organic search. Let me track conversions more easily and bid on a CPI basis for search placements. Build algorithms to figure out paid vs. legit reviews and use these signals to perform search ranking. Add more metadata to apps and give users more degrees of freedom to explore, rate, and discuss apps. App Store search is just as much of a black box as the day it launched. For crying out loud Apple, just copy Google on this one, and there will be a massive lift in revenue for everyone.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#14

Post by Kylekramer »

runjake wrote: post #11
Kylekramer wrote: post #4

Seems to be blaming a lot of ills of the App Store that are larger or unrelated than the top list to the top list. Rich get richer is just the nature of the beast in capitalism. The rock bottom prices are more due to the elasticity of price of phone apps compared to many products. After all, you have prominently reported top lists for movies/games/music for decades and they certainly aren't getting cheaper. Top lists…

He may be trolling, but its probably not far from the truth. Other than releasing the Android source, Google doesn't really play any part in most Android devices on the market. Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. On the manufacturer's side, they rush out devices…

OK? And for Apple, iOS is a means to end: to get people using their services and get their money alongside getting their money upfront. It just so happens that delivering quality experiences are a good way of achieving both Google and Apple's ends. People who hate their phones don't see as many ads as people who enjoy their phones.

But, of course, we are feeding the troll.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#16

Post by po »

I had the exact same observation but for another Apple app ecosystem: Game Center. I could not care less how I rank in the global rankings for an iPhone app. Do I care that some 10 kids or idiot savants have scored 100x higher than me? Not really. Maybe if I had actually joined a league or something I would like to know how I ranked globally but otherwise, that's not what you want to show people by default.

There is some pride in knowing that you are one of the 10 best people in the world at the iPhone version of carcassone but that pride gets to be enjoyed by exactly 10 people. Everyone else gets to see their relatively low scores compared to total strangers.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

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Post by ihuman »

supercoder wrote: post #12

Thats fine for someone to say with no apps in the app store. His previous app kept around 7 - 8 in his category chart and so he definitely benefited from the top charts. Giving total exposure control to Apple would be an absolute nightmare for most developers that didnt have the exposure Marco does. There are plenty of good apps, that Apple arent sometimes interested in, that users are, that do well by climbing the c…

In the past, when he had apps in the App Store, he still said that there should be no "Top" list.

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#18

Post by StavrosK »

vxNsr wrote: post #3

The option to trial an app is the reason I like the WP Store (lack of apps notwithstanding). The other nice thing that WP Store has is top-rated apps (or the ability to sort by rating) while this is still subject to some of the "top downloaded" issues it's a step in the right direction.

Don't they all have trials? The Play Store does (sure, it's 15 minutes, but that's usually enough for most people).

Re: Get Rid of the App Store’s “Top” Lists

#19

Post by corresation »

runjake wrote: post #11
Kylekramer wrote: post #4

Seems to be blaming a lot of ills of the App Store that are larger or unrelated than the top list to the top list. Rich get richer is just the nature of the beast in capitalism. The rock bottom prices are more due to the elasticity of price of phone apps compared to many products. After all, you have prominently reported top lists for movies/games/music for decades and they certainly aren't getting cheaper. Top lists…

He may be trolling, but its probably not far from the truth. Other than releasing the Android source, Google doesn't really play any part in most Android devices on the market. Further, their store is plagued with malware and shady apps that never get removed. I know because I've reported them and continue to see the same apps by the same developers on the Play Store. On the manufacturer's side, they rush out devices…

I started to formulate a reasoned reply, but honestly forget that: your comment is garbage through and through. Marco sounds like a bitter man about Android, as he always has been, and he has literally NOTHING to say about the platform that is worth listening to.
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