The US has a great deal of influence in the west, especially NATO members. They will readily comply to avoid complications. No country wants to find itself on the US "terrorist" list.
Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
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Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#32Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#33I'm moving away from Dropbox today. Thanks for this jensen2k.
For me though, no linux support :(
Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#34"Vi vil ikke overlevere brukerdata til myndighetene om vi ikke mottar en kjennelse fra norsk rettsvesen" meaning "We will not hand over user data to the government if we do not receive a ruling from the Norwegian judicial system" which is pretty much the same thing as the Patriot Act in the US... But as far as PRISM goes - that's a whole other matter!
Well for better or worse you can not really escape that. Best to my knowledge most (western) countries have the concept court orders/warrants or equivalents.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good suggestion, I've been using Amazon Glacier with the CloudBerry backup software which supports client-side AES encryption ( http://www.cloudberrylab.com/amazon-glacier-backup-software.... ) and couldn't ask for more. Of course you will have to trust CloudBerry not to put a backdoor in their Software, but it seems there are no OSS alternatives right now that work as easily.
tarsnap
From their website, it seems that tarsnap can't be counted as OSS:
"The Tarsnap client code is built around the open source libarchive archive handling library. While the Tarsnap code is not distributed under an open source license..."
Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't you need a combination of encryption AND no law forcing you to reveal the key?
The law that might force you to reveal the key depends on where you are, not where your hoster is.
Good luck, I have terabytes of random data. I can always provide you OTP key, and create what ever content I want you to see. (Malleable encryption)
Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
tarsnap
From their website, it seems that tarsnap can't be counted as OSS: "The Tarsnap client code is built around the open source libarchive archive handling library. While the Tarsnap code is not distributed under an open source license..."
Here's the source code: https://www.tarsnap.com/download.html
This is the license:
Unless specified otherwise in individual files, the contents of this package is covered by the following copyright, license, and disclaimer:
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 Colin Percival All rights reserved.
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, without modification, is permitted for the sole purpose of using the "tarsnap" backup service provided by Colin Percival.
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Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
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(the now deleted parent wrote that the Data Retention Directive is an EU directive and that Norway is not part of the EU) That doesn't seem to stop them. 2nd paragraph of the translated WP article: In Norway DLD was adopted by the Parliament on 4 April 2011 . It was scheduled to take effect on 1 April 2012, but has been postponed several times. Ministry of Transport are now looking for that storage requirement comes…
Norway gets to implement many EU directives, thanks to being part of the European Economic Area.
Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#39erm, isn't this assbackwards?
intelligence agencies, aka spies, exist to spy. that's their entire purpose. now there are some laws to protect their own citizens, at least in the US.
once it's a foreign entity, it's fair game. zero fucks about legality given - see any info ever about clandestine services. so if you store your data in a non-US entity, you're more likely to be monitored.
do you think STUXNET was LEGAL?
the NSA, CIA, MI6, BND, KGB, Mossad all ignore the laws of the countries they are acting in. or what do you think a spy is?
Re: Norwegian backup provider promises NSA-free data storage using Norwegian laws
#40"In Norway, privacy stands firm like the mighty mountains of Jotunheimen.". Let's not flatter ourselves too much: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datalagringsdirektivet (in Norwegian, http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&pre... ), or the less detailed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
I don't think DLD/DRD is conflicting with the statements given in the post, as DLD only concerns itself with metadata (and yes, that can be harmful), and the article talks about the actual data. Both are important, but different, topics.