When I bought my Thinkpad W510, USB3 had recently come out, and the partially-implemented drivers the distros were shipping caused the machine not to be able to sleep. To say that Thinkpad support is equivalent to a reference implementation is overstating matters wildly - although the support is generally pretty damn good.
Linux has better hardware support than OS X
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Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've had an Nvidia Optimus + Intel 4000 since Nov 2012 and I never had to reboot, just specify when I wanted to run a particular program with Nvidia (games), everything else would run by default with Intel. Everything worked out of the box, the only minor issue is that bluetooth audio connection with my jambox is sometimes lost, but i could never even get it to work with a Mac.
That sounds unlikely, the switching between integrated and discrete GPU -- which distro are you running? Definitely not happening in a multi-monitor setup without Bumblebee or other workaround.
Ubuntu 13.04, which is smart enough to configure Bumblebee for you.
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#183That's not a double standard at all . OSX having superior hardware support because it runs in a walled garden on hand picked hardware from Apple themselves is entirely by design and something Apple put a lot of energy, money and dedication into. OSX absolutely should benefit from this over other OSes, as it did not come for free.
The author's point is that there IS handpicked hardware from Lenovo (for certain models), by design, and something Intel, among others, put a lot of energy, money and dedication into. Linux absolutely should benefit from this over other OSes, as it did not come for free.
Maybe this reference list should be more widely available, especially from major vendors like Canonical. Improving the visibility of the list by putting it up on the distro download page would certainly put quite a few minds at ease.
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
All the following links were found by searching since your comment was posted: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=289711 https://github.com/ah-/gmux-scripts http://www.linuxine.com/story/how-do-i-use-integrated-intel-... http://askubuntu.com/questions/126862/how-to-use-integrated-... I make no warranty that the linked recipes, scripts, or suggestions work, but your "you wish" warrants refutation.
Thank you for those links. I have not yet been successful in booting any Linux in EFI mode on the MBP. EFI mode is required for using the integrated GPU. Currently, EFI mode on an MBP seems to require a custom-built kernel, which frankly is too much trouble in my book. I will try again in a few weeks.
This has probably struck you before, but any reason why you're not using a Linux VM? Free virtualization solutions are available that would certainly save you quite a bit of trouble.
Adding RAM to your MBP should be fairly straightforward (and cheap) if necessary.
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#185Useless comment of the day: I was pretty sure to find all Apple hipster fanboys crying around here. And I was right. You guys are so predictable :D
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for those links. I have not yet been successful in booting any Linux in EFI mode on the MBP. EFI mode is required for using the integrated GPU. Currently, EFI mode on an MBP seems to require a custom-built kernel, which frankly is too much trouble in my book. I will try again in a few weeks.
This has probably struck you before, but any reason why you're not using a Linux VM? Free virtualization solutions are available that would certainly save you quite a bit of trouble. Adding RAM to your MBP should be fairly straightforward (and cheap) if necessary.
I would use Linux mostly for ideological reasons.
For most of my work, I need a terminal, a text editor and a web browser. Ocassionally some light vector graphics work and a simple sound editor. I can do all this on any Unix-like system. It mostly even works on Windows.
The only technical reason I have to use Linux over OSX is performance. OSX can be a memory hog and it is very much limited by hard drive performance. I more or less solved this with more RAM and an SSD, but having more resources available would be nice.
Thus, it really defeats my purpose to use Linux in a VM. But thank you for suggesting it!
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#187> This is a double standard. To have its “great” hardware support, a given release of OS X has to support a few dozen hardware configurations. Agreed. Linux and Windows, as operating systems, are solving a much different and more difficult problem than OS X is. You can get them to run on a wide variety of hardware relatively easily. By that metric, both Windows and Linux have "better hardware support" than OS X. The…
No, they're solving the exact same problem: to provide a good computing experience. Now, how they go about solving that same problem is radically different. Windows and Linux tries to support as much hardware as possible and be general. OS X tries to limit scope to own MacBook hardware only, and benefit from the advantages of that approach as much as it can (clearly, it has some disadvantages it suffers from too). I'…
Actually Apple doesn't make the hardware anymore, it relies on external companies to do so.
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has probably struck you before, but any reason why you're not using a Linux VM? Free virtualization solutions are available that would certainly save you quite a bit of trouble. Adding RAM to your MBP should be fairly straightforward (and cheap) if necessary.
I would use Linux mostly for ideological reasons. For most of my work, I need a terminal, a text editor and a web browser. Ocassionally some light vector graphics work and a simple sound editor. I can do all this on any Unix-like system. It mostly even works on Windows. The only technical reason I have to use Linux over OSX is performance. OSX can be a memory hog and it is very much limited by hard drive performance.…
You use Linux for ideological reasons yet you buy Apple hardware? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
#189This is silly. Although I'm sure it's gotten much better since I regularly used Linux on the desktop, you always had to do some amount of due diligence about what hardware worked well with it and what hardware didn't. For example, because I use OS X, I can go to any store, purchase my choice of Lexmark printer, and be on my merry way with a minimal amount of checking. The fact that I have to know that there's a "refe…
To be fair, by that argument it's even better to use Windows.
Windows 8 seems to have magical printer support. My printer was just there, I could print... no anything required. It seemed to install the drivers as soon as it saw it on the network. (Apparently this isn't so nice if the computer reboots when trying to install drivers magically)
Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X
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Yeah, this is why I laughed at the line "No, it doesn’t have an official reference platform, not even whatever PC Linus happens to be using these days.". Linus is quite known for using MacBooks himself.
Based on his recent G+ posts, it seems he is using a Chromebook Pixel now.
Also based on his G+ he seems to be a big fan of High Res displays, something both the Pixel and new MBP's have.