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Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by untog »

onli wrote: post #10
spitx wrote: post #6

CBS' Bob Schieffer on Snowden's junket: "For one thing, I don't remember Martin Luther King, Jr., or Rosa Parks running off and hiding in China. The people who ran the civil-rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequences." "That's a little different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away." "What I see in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he…

Useful to know how the enemy is arguing. Sure, the consequences are torture, imprisonment and death. But who wouldn't take those consequences to be a real hero?

Using phrases like 'the enemy' doesn't really help raise the level of debate.

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by pilsetnieks »

crazygringo wrote: post #7

I'm curious... is there anything currently preventing him from flying to a further country as well? I'm not aware of there being a warrant out for his arrest or anything yet... What would happen today if he just hopped on the next flight to Iceland or Ecuador or wherever else (or let's just assume nonstop flights)?

Anywhere except the UK, UK airlines or connecting flights through UK - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/14/dont-fly-edward-...

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by msg »

spitx wrote: post #6

CBS' Bob Schieffer on Snowden's junket: "For one thing, I don't remember Martin Luther King, Jr., or Rosa Parks running off and hiding in China. The people who ran the civil-rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequences." "That's a little different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away." "What I see in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he…

Martin Luther King didn't live in a world where we imprison innocent men in legal limbo without trial or habeas corpus, or where we officially sanctioned torture and the oubliette. He could trust that he would be vindicated by the justice system.

The whole point of the Snowden story is that the government is not trustworthy in this era. I would not trust the US government to give him justice any more than they did Aaron Swartz.

I think Snowden knew exactly what to expect if he "faced the music" and exactly how much attention he could keep on his story in exile.

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by spitx »

onli wrote: post #10
spitx wrote: post #6

CBS' Bob Schieffer on Snowden's junket: "For one thing, I don't remember Martin Luther King, Jr., or Rosa Parks running off and hiding in China. The people who ran the civil-rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequences." "That's a little different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away." "What I see in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he…

Useful to know how the enemy is arguing. Sure, the consequences are torture, imprisonment and death. But who wouldn't take those consequences to be a real hero?

Did Daniel Ellsberg bolt for a communist nation, sympathetic to his views after releasing the Pentagon papers?

No, he turned himself in.

Snowden wants all the glory and none of the bruises.

If that doesn't demonstrate a lack of selflessness, what does?

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg#Trial_and_mistr...

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by onli »

untog wrote: post #11
onli wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useful to know how the enemy is arguing. Sure, the consequences are torture, imprisonment and death. But who wouldn't take those consequences to be a real hero?

Using phrases like 'the enemy' doesn't really help raise the level of debate.

I didn't mean spitx - the comment didn't make clear that this was his position. I doubt Bob Schieffer will read this. You're right though.

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by pilsetnieks »

vph wrote: post #5

Brilliant move, maybe, unless he was manipulated by the Chinese. It is very interesting that the allegation that the NSA has been hacking into Chinese systems came out at the time when the US and China are meeting and Obama is trying to admonish the Chinese on hacking. It would be interesting to explore if Edward Snowden has any handler. And how exactly he chose Hong Kong and decided to reveal that the NSA has been h…

The allegation was that they are hacking everyone. And Obama is meeting someone from everywhere every other week.

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by anologwintermut »

crazygringo wrote: post #7

I'm curious... is there anything currently preventing him from flying to a further country as well? I'm not aware of there being a warrant out for his arrest or anything yet... What would happen today if he just hopped on the next flight to Iceland or Ecuador or wherever else (or let's just assume nonstop flights)?

Apparently INTERPOL can issue red notices that are not public. So its possible if he tried to leave Hong Kong under his own ID he'd get arrested.

I assume he doesn't have a real forged passport. But how hard do they check for leaving Hong Kong? Could he get to Iceland and instead of trying to fool Icelandic passport control, just request asylum?

Re: Choosing Hong Kong Is a Brilliant Move by Edward Snowden

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Post by jrockway »

spitx wrote: post #6

CBS' Bob Schieffer on Snowden's junket: "For one thing, I don't remember Martin Luther King, Jr., or Rosa Parks running off and hiding in China. The people who ran the civil-rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequences." "That's a little different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away." "What I see in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he…

Yes, the mainstream media is full of morons. I'm not sure how this is relevant to this article, though, so I've downvoted your comment.
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