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Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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>This is a double standard. To have its “great” hardware support, a given release of OS X has to support a few dozen hardware configurations.

Not really. It's the field Linux choose to play.

But let's constrain it if you like.

Does Linux have "better hardware support" than OS X for even a single, specific, hardware product from a specified vendor?

At least for my multimedia work, the answer is a resounding no.

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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That's not a double standard at all . OSX having superior hardware support because it runs in a walled garden on hand picked hardware from Apple themselves is entirely by design and something Apple put a lot of energy, money and dedication into. OSX absolutely should benefit from this over other OSes, as it did not come for free.

The author's point is that there IS handpicked hardware from Lenovo (for certain models), by design, and something Intel, among others, put a lot of energy, money and dedication into. Linux absolutely should benefit from this over other OSes, as it did not come for free.

And yet, Linux doesn't have all that great driver support in that handpicked hardware from Lenovo.

Lots of stuff have Win/Mac only drivers.

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

#43
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Printing on Windows is so bad that people are employed just to fix it. Office crashes a lot and has compatibility issues with certain formats, and I often just direct people to LibreOffice, which in every case has fixed the problem and run smoothly. Any minor Windows system problem usually results in sending the machine to be re-imaged. If you're on Windows 8, a lot of old stuff simply doesn't work, and in the absenc…

I call bullshit. I've worked for a couple of printing outfits and Windows has by far been the most reliable bar some big ass Xerox machines with PostScript processing and a Sun workstation tied to it. Fuck, the most unreliable so far has been the PDF rendering engine inside OSX which sometimes just whacks the CPU at 100% and you have to kill the process. And don't give me the shitcrock of Ghostscript or CUPS as a bet…

> You sound like a rabid Linux fanboy.

You sound like a rabid Windows fanboy.

> I can't stand fanboys spouting crap. If I had some karma I'd downvote this.

Ditto. Downvoted.

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call bullshit. I've worked for a couple of printing outfits and Windows has by far been the most reliable bar some big ass Xerox machines with PostScript processing and a Sun workstation tied to it. Fuck, the most unreliable so far has been the PDF rendering engine inside OSX which sometimes just whacks the CPU at 100% and you have to kill the process. And don't give me the shitcrock of Ghostscript or CUPS as a bet…

> You sound like a rabid Linux fanboy. You sound like a rabid Windows fanboy. > I can't stand fanboys spouting crap. If I had some karma I'd downvote this. Ditto. Downvoted.

Hardly. I use both. I write software for both.

Each have flaws but the OP spouts pure shite.

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

#45
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Do people really do this on the native OS on a Mac? I use Macs for all my work, but we deploy to Linux, so that's what runs in all the VMs I run on my Mac. Currently I even use Eclipse in an Ubuntu VM to do the work. I wouldn't know how to install a package on my Mac if I tried, and given that all the production machines run on Linux, I've never seen the need.

It sounds like you're in the minority based on places I've worked and people I've met! Good for you though, I think it requires a lot of discipline to stay on top of VMs which is why so many people install things directly to OS X.

Huh? Using VMs is a very widespread practice, on the last 2-3 years. Maybe not in enterprise America, but for startups and modern software/web companies/devs, it's all the rage.

Hence projects like Vagrant too.

And not only on Mac: it's better to use a VM for development if you're deploying to Linux even if you run Linux on your desktop too.

Why would you clutter your desktop install with a deployment environment stuff that could even be incompatible between your different projects?

(And of course it makes even more sense if you work on Windows but deploy to Linux).

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

#46
Six years ago I bought an Inspiron 14 that Dell sold with Ubuntu. A few weeks ago I got an XPS 13, the model Dell now sells with Ubuntu (although I didn't purchase the developer version because it had a longer shipping time and I needed it ASAP). Unfortunately, even on this "reference" hardware there are many frustrations.

I installed 64-bit Ubuntu 13.04. Supposedly all of the special tweaks Dell makes to the version of Ubuntu 12.04 they install on the developer edition are included in 13.04. At first, I was unable to boot the installer; I had to switch the boot mode to Legacy from UEFI. Graphics don't work at the login screen; you have to switch to another virtual console and restart LightDM or just enable automatic login. Adjusting the display brightness doesn't work. If I connect it to my TV, X locks up until I disconnect it. Some of Unity's multitouch gestures work, but some don't. I haven't found any way to configure the touchpad; I'd really like to be able to middle-click.

Today I hooked up my Nexus 4. Rhythmbox, Ubuntu's default media player, sees it as an MTP device but locks up and crashes if you try to transfer any music to it. I switched my Nexus 4 from MTP to PTP mode and fired up Shotwell, Ubuntu's default photo manager. It saw the Nexus 4 as a camera but reported an error and failed when I tried to import my photos from it. At least I can transfer files to and from it using the file manager, but if I try to open any files without copying them to my computer first, it fails.

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author's point is that there IS handpicked hardware from Lenovo (for certain models), by design, and something Intel, among others, put a lot of energy, money and dedication into. Linux absolutely should benefit from this over other OSes, as it did not come for free.

And yet, Linux doesn't have all that great driver support in that handpicked hardware from Lenovo. Lots of stuff have Win/Mac only drivers.

Do you have any examples please?

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

#48

Because Xcode. Some of us need to iOS apps too even if it's not our first priority. At this moment the only sane way to do that is having OSX installed on a Mac.

Because of XCode?

Not so sure.

Developers for all kind of stuff use OS X. Any conference, from Google IO to Oracle or Apache (Java) stuff, to RoR have tons of developers, the majority actually, running OS X. Even Rob Pike uses OS X. Even Linus Torvalds (although he just uses the Mac, not the OS, of course).

And most of them do not deploy anything to iOS.

The use OS X because it's a fine UNIX and it has all the commercial stuff they want to use (Adobe, Office, etc) and all the multimedia stuff they want to use too. And it has nice hardware to boot (not CPU or price wise: overall quality wise, from sturdiness to weight, and from display quality to driver support).

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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It's always been a little mind boggling to me that in Web Development where we deploy to Linux servers nearly 100% of the time so many people, especially in the Ruby community, develop using OS X instead. Personally, I use OS X at work because that's what my employer gave me but at home I use Linux that runs just about perfect with a Dell Vostro laptop. That said, there are some great, modern tools that people have m…

It makes no sense to miss brew on Linux ... The only reason brew exists is because OSX doesn't have an official package manager. Also what problems did you have with rbenv on Linux? It seemed to work just fine the last time I used it ...

Yup, I'm a huge mac fangirl, and then only thing I miss from the linux PC I have at work is a real package manager. apt-get, yum, good grief even gentoo scratches that itch for me better than brew or fink or macports

Re: Linux has better hardware support than OS X

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Interestingly, I run Ubuntu on a MacBook and a MacBook Air. As they are a "fixed" target, I figured that at least one developer would have made sure that they "just worked". And, indeed, they did. The installation tutorial was comprehensive, the out of the box experience was great, and upgrades have gone smoothly. The only thing to note was that I was able to manually update the WiFi drivers for (supposedly) better p…

Yeah, this is why I laughed at the line "No, it doesn’t have an official reference platform, not even whatever PC Linus happens to be using these days.". Linus is quite known for using MacBooks himself.

Based on his recent G+ posts, it seems he is using a Chromebook Pixel now.
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