You can write all phone conversations to storage and still only closely scrutinize 300 numbers.
Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
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Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#12It's a bit like saying that they're going to install cameras linked to a spy agency into every home, but don't worry because only a few homes will be scrutinised closely.
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#13That's nice. The rest are only recorded for posterity, but not "closely scrutinized", right?
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're getting the word "fact" in your sentance confused with the word "speculation". They are not the same thing.
Fact. NSA has been spying on all Americans without their knowledge for years.
What do you mean "without their knowledge"? You didn't know?
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fact. NSA has been spying on all Americans without their knowledge for years.
What do you mean "without their knowledge"? You didn't know?
Knowing that the NSA "watches a bunch of people" is a far sight different from knowing the NSA is watching you personally.
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#16This is pretty amusing, but they've just made a classic apologists mistake.
Either they need all this access and funding to surveil a large number of dangerous people, or they dont need either to surveil such a small number of people. If it only resulted in 300 phone numbers to track, then sure, maybe the privacy violations weren't as bad (hypothetically). But that argument then puts the whole program at a ridiculous cost to threat ratio, and should be shutdown because it isn't effective at all and is a waste of taxpayer money.
Lose, Lose NSA - You're either violating our liberties or wasting our money.
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#17That's nice. The rest are only recorded for posterity, but not "closely scrutinized", right?
They also claimed to delete records more than 5 years old.
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fact. NSA has been spying on all Americans without their knowledge for years.
...and now that the real facts are not fitting your narrative, you're starting to contradict and deny those facts using every emotional response and every fallacy you can think of.
What are those "real facts"? The Verizon Business court order alone is damaging enough.
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#19If you look at the growth of the no-fly list, 300 sounds like an implausibly low number considering the likelihood of adding-to-the-list whoever is on the receiving end of each call.
No Fly List Statistics:
In mid-December 2001, two lists were created: the "No Fly List" of 594 people to be denied air transport, and the "Selectee" list of 365 people who were to be more carefully searched at airports.
By December 2002, the No Fly List held more than 1,000 names.
60 Minutes reported on 8 October 2006 that the news program had obtained a March 2006 copy of the list that contained 44,000 names.
TSA officials said that, as of November 2005, 30,000 people in 2005 had complained that their names were matched to a name on the list via the name matching software used by airlines.
In April 2007, the United States government "terrorist watch list" administered by the Terrorist Screening Center, which is managed principally by the FBI, contained 700,000 records.
A year later, the ACLU estimated the list to have grown to over 1,000,000 names and to be continually expanding.
However, according to Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff, in October 2008 the No Fly list contained only 2,500 names, with an additional 16,000 "selectees", who "represent a less specific security threat and receive extra scrutiny, but are allowed to fly."
Re: Obama does not feel Americans' privacy violated
#20The key word there is "closely".
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