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Post by sk00byd00 »

alan_cx wrote: post #318
kunai wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not stereotype teenagers. I am merely fifteen years old, and if you take a look through my comment thread you may find more insight than you expected. Yes, most in my generation are shallow and passive; but that doesn't mean all are. There are some intellectuals on the fringes.

Right, there is something no one here it telling you. Older people are bare faced liars. Why? They operate primarily out of fear. They are scared for their job, business, mortgage, possessions, status, kids (you!!), their investments, health care, etc, etc. But more than anything, they are scared for them selves. Why? The more you have to lose, the more fear and paranoia you acquire. The older you get the LESS wise y…

Oh please, your comment is just as cringe inducing as the one you are responding to. 40 isn't even that old and you are talking like you are on your death bed, it's embarrassing. The world has, is and will be shaped by people of all ages, your ages are not your primary limiting factors here.

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Post by sk00byd00 »

w_t_payne wrote: post #298
robbiep wrote: post #295

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That's what I thought when I was 15. It's probably what most academically gifted 15 year olds think. Go back and read some of your stuff in another 5 years, and then another 5. And tally the face palms. It's a good exercise in humility, something that is often hard to appreciate as a 15 year old

I went back recently and read some of the stuff that I wrote when I was 19 or 20. I came to the sad conclusion that I am getting thicker and more ignorant with age.

Care to share links to some of these insightful posts?

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Post by gyardley »

kunai wrote: post #183
Homunculiheaded wrote: post #134

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It's really unfortunate that most people read 1984 as teenagers (I did). I went back to it as an adult, somewhat expecting it to be a let down. What I found was quite the opposite, there's a lot more nuance in that book than would really be absorbed by high school students being forced to read it. "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you beg…

Do not stereotype teenagers. I am merely fifteen years old, and if you take a look through my comment thread you may find more insight than you expected. Yes, most in my generation are shallow and passive; but that doesn't mean all are. There are some intellectuals on the fringes.

It's only an anecdote, but when I was fifteen I was very confident in my insights - and two decades later, I have completely different insights. It turns out my fifteen-year-old self was a comical little prat after all.

You might be relatively consistent in your beliefs over time, or you might be like me. Just be aware that right now you can't be certain of either.

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Post by D9u »

...the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year...

Ah, so that's why China has overtaken the USA in the computing power race... Wasting money on spying instead of building better computers.

All who support these abuses of our Bill of Rights should be ashamed of themselves.

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Post by D9u »

Homunculiheaded wrote: post #134
Lost_BiomedE wrote: post #95

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Part of the book 1984 was the complacence of the lower class. I am not targeting any class here but pointing out that a culture of complacency by division was a large warning in that book that is often overlooked.

It's really unfortunate that most people read 1984 as teenagers (I did). I went back to it as an adult, somewhat expecting it to be a let down. What I found was quite the opposite, there's a lot more nuance in that book than would really be absorbed by high school students being forced to read it. "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you beg…

I had no problem understanding the many nuances of 1984 the book, and that was over 35 years ago.

I also had no problem seeing a problem with the central banking system and fractional reserve lending.

Perhaps you disliked "being forced" to read classics, but many of us contemplated these writings thoughtfully.

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Post by D9u »

sk00byd00 wrote: post #322
w_t_payne wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went back recently and read some of the stuff that I wrote when I was 19 or 20. I came to the sad conclusion that I am getting thicker and more ignorant with age.

Care to share links to some of these insightful posts?

> Care to share links to some of these insightful posts?

Implying that the writings could only have been online?

There once was a time when we wrote on paper, with pencil and pen, or if you were really well off you had a typewriter.

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Post by 16s »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #77

Since the modus operandi seems to be for the NSA to suck up everything it can and decide later it seems (wild speculation follows) that the NSA might be sitting on audio recrodings of all your phone calls for the past several years. Can you imagine the number of divorce cases that would impact? Civil lawsuits? Proof of innocence or guilt in a crime? Hell, get a decade or two of this and historians alone would have a…

Most American's don't care. They are too busy on Facebook or playing games on their iphone/android, taking pictures of themselves in the bathroom, etc.

The Native Americans gave their land away for beads. Modern Americans give their constitutional rights away for electronic gadgets that they can play with.

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

tptacek wrote: post #254
fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #194

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NSA has all the access they need. Which side of the property line their equipment resides on is a detail. Google is bound by what they're treating as a lawful order, to lie, as is anyone on NSA's team. If NSA doesn't have hardware inside Google, they have what they need to read the data at the boundaries of the Google system.

Nobody is bound to lie. That is not a FISA requirement or a requirement of any other federal statute.

You're very naive to believe that.

The gov't somehow manages to compel people to lie despite the absence of some "Federal Pants on Fire Act"

1. Place a Warrant Canary.

2. Receive NSL.

Even those who've conceived of the Warrant Canary know that it depends upon the notion that the gov't will not coerce the NSL recipient to leave the Canary unmodified.

We don't have to use the Warrant Canary hypothetical to see that the US gov't has in the past used force to compel individuals to lie in the furtherance of its goals. Police forced Rachel Hoffman to arrange a drugs buy and wear a surveillance device to the proposed exchange. This is a common police practice carried out by government agents at every level of government. If the government will use such tactics for drugs, they will most certainly use them for national security.

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Post by Udo »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #77

Since the modus operandi seems to be for the NSA to suck up everything it can and decide later it seems (wild speculation follows) that the NSA might be sitting on audio recrodings of all your phone calls for the past several years. Can you imagine the number of divorce cases that would impact? Civil lawsuits? Proof of innocence or guilt in a crime? Hell, get a decade or two of this and historians alone would have a…

Having just watched yesterday's RealTime (Bill Maher's show) as well as the mainstream news coverage of the week, I have finally come to the conclusion that no significant number of Americans has a problem with living in a surveillance state, not even the host and guests on a faux liberal talk show.

Except when I'm on HN, everywhere I go there just are no people who see anything fundamentally wrong with the entire premise, so I think saying that only 45% don't care is a very low-ball estimate. From the look of things, it's more like 95%.

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Post by steveklabnik »

reeses wrote: post #248
zrail wrote: post #206

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This pattern continues to at the very least 29.

That's about when it stops. Once you hit 30, it's all about having enough information to regret everything you ever did in life. Then you just wait to die. Why bother trying to save this mess now?

> That's about when it stops. Once you hit 30, it's all about having enough information to regret everything you ever did in life.

The NSA is on the case! ;)

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