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Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

Isn't it his job as the elected Senator to call out Clapper on his 'lies' as he says them? If all Sen. Paul was going to do was watch the video of his testimony later then why schedule a hearing at all?

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

#12
Our government is broken. It is no longer by the people for the people.

Politicians are skipping out of their responsibilities.

Politicians spend much of their time in office fundraising for re-election.

Politicians raise much of their election financing from corporate interests, not the people, and thus have a diminishing obligation to the people.[1]

A vast minority of people elect our politicians because 50% of eligible voters don't go to polls.

Most are rich old white men, not a representation of the people.[2]

We can do better.

[1]http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_t...

[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_S...

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

#13
post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

He may have been leaving because the briefing was over. We can't tell from the article.

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

#14
post #8

Not an excuse at all but part of the problem of our system, why they run home so fast, is they are constantly fundraising for their next election. They spend a massive amount of time in office just fundraising. Not sure how this can ever be fixed.

easy solution: term limits

Which itself leads to a permanent issue of elected public servants with no long-term experience on the very important function of leading the nation.

That leaves the expertise in the hands of unelected bureaucrats, who could easily maneuver the constantly-inexperienced politicians in the direction they wish.

Pick your poison...

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

This isn't to say he left early, only that he left. Meaning he attended at least part, which is more than we can say about virtually anyone else as names don't appear to have been released yet.

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

Why would you presume that?

And more importantly, how does leaving in disgust help anything, even if it was the case, and that was prominently reported by the media?

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

I interpreted that simply as an indication that he attended the meeting.

i.e. "We know Rand Paul attended, since we saw him leaving"

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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Our government is broken. It is no longer by the people for the people. Politicians are skipping out of their responsibilities. Politicians spend much of their time in office fundraising for re-election. Politicians raise much of their election financing from corporate interests, not the people, and thus have a diminishing obligation to the people.[1] A vast minority of people elect our politicians because 50% of eli…

> Our government is broken. It is no longer by the people for the people.

Are there good grounds for thinking it was ever much more "by the people for the people" than it is now?

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #11
post #6

> Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the chief critics of the surveillance programs, was spotted leaving the briefing. Presumably leaving out of disgust for Clapper's lies; but the media will leave it short like this to make it seem he's marginally apathetic.

Isn't it his job as the elected Senator to call out Clapper on his 'lies' as he says them? If all Sen. Paul was going to do was watch the video of his testimony later then why schedule a hearing at all?

How would he know what are lies? He isn't on the Senate Intelligence Committee, the 15 people in Congress privileged enough to know the truth.

Re: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home

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post #8

Not an excuse at all but part of the problem of our system, why they run home so fast, is they are constantly fundraising for their next election. They spend a massive amount of time in office just fundraising. Not sure how this can ever be fixed.

It's actually really easy to fix with publicly funded elections, or other campaign finance reform.
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