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Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by joshstrange »

Have any of you actually used these? To start off they are a pain to download/setup, come on Microsoft, you make the freaking OS and you can't package it any better? Second, these VM's are constantly complaining about not being activated. I understand that MS can't just rip that part of the OS out however it's a massive slap in the face to have them act like they give a shit about web developers and then have them provide sub-par VM's. I can pirate the OS and make my own (better) VM's which is really sad if you ask me. Also I have had the VM's shut down on me multiple times to go "update".

TL;DR: These VM's suck and you are better off pirating the OS and making your own VM's.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by PostOnce »

joshstrange wrote: post #121

Have any of you actually used these? To start off they are a pain to download/setup, come on Microsoft, you make the freaking OS and you can't package it any better? Second, these VM's are constantly complaining about not being activated. I understand that MS can't just rip that part of the OS out however it's a massive slap in the face to have them act like they give a shit about web developers and then have them pr…

This free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari.

That's some pretty odd logic. What about buying the OS? Since you're, you know, using it for work? Is that not an option? The ROI would be pretty high, I'm guessing. If I only had the on-screen keyboard, my solution would be to buy a keyboard, not shoplift one.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by phaemon »

PostOnce wrote: post #122
joshstrange wrote: post #121

Have any of you actually used these? To start off they are a pain to download/setup, come on Microsoft, you make the freaking OS and you can't package it any better? Second, these VM's are constantly complaining about not being activated. I understand that MS can't just rip that part of the OS out however it's a massive slap in the face to have them act like they give a shit about web developers and then have them pr…

This free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari. That's some pretty odd logic. What about buying the OS? Since you're, you know, using it for work? Is that not an option? The ROI would be pretty high, I'm guessing. If I only had the on-screen keyboard, my solution would be to buy a keyboard, not shoplift one.

> his free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari. That's some pretty odd logic.

It is indeed, mainly because your analogy is so awful. You might as well have said:

"This free cake sucks, you'd be way better off beating someone to death with an elephant."

It would be equally stupid but at least it has cake in it.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by PostOnce »

phaemon wrote: post #123
PostOnce wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari. That's some pretty odd logic. What about buying the OS? Since you're, you know, using it for work? Is that not an option? The ROI would be pretty high, I'm guessing. If I only had the on-screen keyboard, my solution would be to buy a keyboard, not shoplift one.

> his free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari. That's some pretty odd logic. It is indeed, mainly because your analogy is so awful. You might as well have said: "This free cake sucks, you'd be way better off beating someone to death with an elephant." It would be equally stupid but at least it has cake in it.

I don't understand where stealing the better service comes into the flow of thought.

Free service is bad. Solution, buy better service? Why is the solution steal better service? It's immediately convenient and cheaper, but the long term seems disadvantageous to multiple parties.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

#125

Post by phaemon »

PostOnce wrote: post #124
phaemon wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> his free Honda Civic sucks, you'd be way better off stealing a Ferrari. That's some pretty odd logic. It is indeed, mainly because your analogy is so awful. You might as well have said: "This free cake sucks, you'd be way better off beating someone to death with an elephant." It would be equally stupid but at least it has cake in it.

I don't understand where stealing the better service comes into the flow of thought. Free service is bad. Solution, buy better service? Why is the solution steal better service? It's immediately convenient and cheaper, but the long term seems disadvantageous to multiple parties.

> I don't understand where stealing the better service comes into the flow of thought.

A Ferrari is a service now? Or have you given up on your analogy? In either case, accepting something that's freely given isn't stealing.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by mortenlarsen »

marshray wrote: post #103
blahpro wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although they come from Microsoft, I don't feel enormously comfortable doing this: chmod +x LinuxVirtualBox.part1.sfx; ./LinuxVirtualBox.part1.sfx

I'd think you could un-rar them manually.

Yes you can. I just tested with unrar.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by greg5green »

dave1010uk wrote: post #105
dave1010uk wrote: post #57

OK, now I've got a pretty solid IE test setup, how do I go about testing Mac browsers (eg Safari) without a Mac? AFAIK the Mac OS X license says it can't be virtualized under non-Mac hardware. It looks like the only options are to use remote testing services, buy Apple hardware or illegally use Mac on a non-Mac host.

Going down the Apple hardware route it looks like a Mac Mini is the cheapest option. Unless the Mac OS X licence doesn't prohibit running it on Apple TV somehow.

Apple TV is iOS, not OS X.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

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Post by charlieok »

I like this because I'm interested in creating more cross-platform projects.

By that I mean, not only does this webapp work on recent versions of Internet Explorer, but a developer can easily get up and running on it using windows (as well as Linux or OS X). I don't want a situation of “you should really be using this OS to develop on this project, and not those other ones”.

I don't want to go out and pay for windows just to do this. It's not my primary OS, and it isn't going to be. But I do want to be able to say, “you can easily develop and run my app on Windows”. Having something like this from Microsoft might be just the push I need to make that happen.

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

#129

Post by novaleaf »

Pwnguinz wrote: post #94
novaleaf wrote: post #89

If you have access to a windows box, here's a better solution: Install IE10 and use the dev tools (F12). there you can set browser emulation to IE 7,8,9,10. doesn't include ie6, but not many people still use it: http://www.ie6countdown.com/

IE10's dev tools emulation is not perfect, and has its own set of quirks. Especially as it relates to the JS runtime[1]. [1] http://alexjmackey.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/how-accurate-ie-...

thanks for the tips guys, i guess i have to give the ie7 one a download :/

Re: Free Official MSIE VM's for Linux and Mac

#130

Post by PostOnce »

phaemon wrote: post #125
PostOnce wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand where stealing the better service comes into the flow of thought. Free service is bad. Solution, buy better service? Why is the solution steal better service? It's immediately convenient and cheaper, but the long term seems disadvantageous to multiple parties.

> I don't understand where stealing the better service comes into the flow of thought. A Ferrari is a service now? Or have you given up on your analogy? In either case, accepting something that's freely given isn't stealing.

What? I didn't imply accepting a gift was stealing, I said that if you got a free gift, didn't like it, and wanted something better, the obvious next step is to buy something better. Yet joshstrange's _immediate_ next step is to steal the better thing. Not to even look for a price quote, but immediately to steal it.

Normal thought pattern: "I want something decent. I will see how much it costs and perhaps purchase it."

Abnormal thought pattern: "I want something decent. I will steal it."

Why does Microsoft owe us anything? If we want to do business on Windows, and support IE, the obvious and legal thing to do is buy a copy of Windows and use it. Not bitch because they're not giving us the best possible stuff for free.

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