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Post by nknighthb »

shpxnvz wrote: post #266
nknighthb wrote: post #191

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You've checked Hughesnet and Exede?

> You've checked Hughesnet I say this as a former customer... Hughesnet is an absolute joke. Looking past their incompetent installers (who provided me with a major leak in the roof over my kitchen) and their horrible uptime (clouds in the sky = service outage), at it's best the internet service could only be described as painfully slow. Super high latency, constant dropped connections, poor throughput and to top it…

The technology has gone through an iteration or two, with the latest coming in the last year. Your judgement may have been valid in the past (though you're providing a far worse perspective than I've heard from anyone else), but if you haven't been a customer for a while, your past experience is not a predictor of current performance.

As for the incompetent installers, they're probably the exact same local contractors working for Dish Network or DirecTV. Results will vary by area.

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Post by escapedminds »

jordanwallwork wrote: post #239
Zakharov wrote: post #215

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Are you sure that min. speed isn't just for multiplayer? I don't see why the call-home would know or care how fast your internet is.

You can use a mobile connection to check in, so clearly speed isn't an issue, I'm pretty sure that the 1.5mb min is just for multiplayer gaming

I don't know, my 4G/LTE phone gets vastly superior upload (though expected)/download speeds to my cable connection, far better than any wired internet package I can get.

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Post by escapedminds »

voyou wrote: post #235
beloch wrote: post #107

The engineer bases his argument on an assumption that is usually erroneous: The price of a product is related to its cost. This is a logical assumption, but almost always false. It is far more commonly true that the price of a product is dictated by what consumers are willing to pay. If the PS4 version of game X sells for $59.99, it is more than likely that the Xbox1 version will sell for the same price, because peop…

"people will perceive both versions as having the same value and be willing to pay the same amount for them both." If they can resell one game but not the other, they're not necessarily going to perceive them as being of the same value. If they use the money they get from reselling the PS4 game to buy more games, they're not only not going to be willing to pay the same for both, they won't be able (except for the seg…

I wonder if Microsoft's far reaching agreements with publishers are going to see XBox One games come out at $49.99 instead of $59.99. I normally buy 5-10 games a year, so a $10 difference could easily make me tilt slightly more towards the One. Really the only thing that irks me is the phoning home daily thing. My internet has been down for more than a day at least twice in the past year, and I filled my time with console gaming rather than Steam or other services.

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Post by gtirloni »

sigkill wrote: post #208
ensignavenger wrote: post #154

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The poor schmuck in rural Nebraska with 25kb service won't be able to play the Xbox One period- MS has already proposed a min speed of 1.5mbps. And if you are in an area (like pretty much most of the US and the majority of the rest of the world) where your service goes down periodically for more than 24 hours, you will be locked out of playing any games while it is offline. Or if MS gets hacked like Sony and their ne…

>of 1.5mbps. Wow. There's this whole rest of the world that would kill to get that speeds. I'm confused as to why MS would try to alienate basically everyone not in NA, EU with that kind of a minimum requirement. People in Asia and Africa can pay up that kind of money for the console, but there aren't infrastructure to get you that kind of internet speeds in a budget.

There are PS1's being sold until today for people who can't afford the other version. My point is: I doubt XBOX360 will disappear. Got fast internet, crazy TV and can afford it? Get XBOX1. Your internet is really bad, XBOX360 just like always.

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Post by brownbat »

yk wrote: post #146
brownbat wrote: post #140

I hate this phrase, "trying to own the living room." We think people want living room devices, but really they just need a living room computer. A few months ago I went this way. No overengineered media center, just a tower next to the HDTV. Full-sized wireless keyboard and mouse. High-DPI to read text. The experience immediately killed the 10 foot interface for me. All the 10' UIs out there feel slow, clunky, hobble…

> I hate this phrase, "trying to own the living room." Why? I find it refreshingly honest. ( And I absolutely agree with the rest, next to my TV is also a desktop with a wireless keyboard. )

True, I respect the honest disclosure, just bothered by the loaded assumptions: that this is a space that can/should be conquered by some closed device driven by a tiny remote control (supplemented by gestures and/or voice).

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Post by LocalPCGuy »

hhandoko wrote: post #226
dagw wrote: post #218

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At the risk of getting way off topic. I also like Windows 8 on the desktop. Yes, it is very slightly annoying that I have to click a large desktop icon after booting up, but after that it is simply a slightly faster, slightly better version of Windows 7. I can't think of any touch interaction aspect that I even see when using it in desktop mode. I miss it when I'm at work using Windows 7.

I agree, ignore the Modern UI stuff and it is a better, faster Windows 7. If you don't mind parting with $10, I recommend purchasing the Start8 and ModernMix from Stardock. Boots straight to desktop, gets the old start menu back, and runs ModernUI apps in a window.

You can setup a quick hack (add Explorer to the Start Apps folder) that switches to Desktop on load. Granted, you'll have an Explorer window open as well, but...small price to pay.

Oh yah, I like Windows 8 on desktop as well.

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Post by WayneDB »

angersock wrote: post #243
chrisbolt wrote: post #173

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The problem is that the One isn't backwards compatible with any of the 360 games I already bought and are stored in the cloud, which leads me to believe they'll do the same with the Two.

Oh for fuck's sake the 360 was a PowerPC arch, and the new Xbox is x86. This is so dumb. You know how PS3 used to support old games? It had the old Emotion Engine (PS2 cpu) built directly into their system--it was a turducken of processing. "wah wah wah i cant run my games from a different processor architecture wah wah wah" this is dumb anyone thinking this is dumb EDIT: Less insulting.

> Oh for fuck's sake the 360 was a PowerPC arch, and the new Xbox is x86.

And who's fault is that? The consumers? Microsoft is the one that's being "so dumb". People obviously care about backwards compat. and then they did this stupid bullshit.

> You know how PS3 used to support old games?

Ummm, the right fucking way? You know...by doing what it takes and giving the customers what they obviously fucking want?

Why don't you get your head out of your fucking asshole, asshole?

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Post by path411 »

nrivadeneira wrote: post #96
ianlevesque wrote: post #74

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All four examples you gave are in decline. His viewpoint is shared by a growing segment of the population.

Advertisements are not the reason they're in decline. People don't sign up for Netflix because it's ad-free, they sign-up for convenience.

That is fairly wrong. Netflix is barely more convenient than pirating. I would gladly pay for Hulu+ as well if it had 0 ads, since Hulu+ happens to have a lot of content I would watch. However, with having to watch several ads each time, it simply becomes much easier to simply torrent what I want to see.

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Post by nrivadeneira »

path411 wrote: post #288
nrivadeneira wrote: post #96

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Advertisements are not the reason they're in decline. People don't sign up for Netflix because it's ad-free, they sign-up for convenience.

That is fairly wrong. Netflix is barely more convenient than pirating. I would gladly pay for Hulu+ as well if it had 0 ads, since Hulu+ happens to have a lot of content I would watch. However, with having to watch several ads each time, it simply becomes much easier to simply torrent what I want to see.

Netflix is only barely more convenient than pirating for tech-savvy individuals. I'm willing to bet if you were to ask the average person if they know where to get and how to use torrents, you'd find that pirating is not all that convenient for most.

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Post by nrivadeneira »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #115
nrivadeneira wrote: post #96

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Advertisements are not the reason they're in decline. People don't sign up for Netflix because it's ad-free, they sign-up for convenience.

People don't sign up for Netflix because it's ad-free, Speak for yourself, please.

It may be a convenience that many enjoy, myself included, but I'd argue that plenty of Netflix subscribers would have subscribed anyway even if ads were shown from the start. Personally, I signed up for the convenience of movies, so ads weren't even a consideration. I doubt I'm alone in that respect.

In addition, you can easily get the same ad-free content on iTunes, but I never see it compared as a replacement for Netflix. It's just not as convenient.

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