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U.S. National Security Agencies Said to Swap Data With Thousands of Firms

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Re: U.S. National Security Agencies Said to Swap Data With Thousands of Firms

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Post by markdown »

pavs wrote: post #45
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #8

Well, there's the smoking gun for the reason behind CISPA. I'm sure tptacek still won't admit he was wrong though.

Why do you feel you need validation from tptacek?

Just two days ago somebody was attacked for referring to a group of people, essentially lumping all mac lovers into one group.

It was argued that one shouldn't do that; that it was better to call people out directly.

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Post by rjd »

Fuxy wrote: post #48

Am i supposed to believe all the companies participated in the program just out of the goodness of their hearts? Yeah right... Anybody want to dig deeper see what they got for participating?

Should be self explanatory. What would companies in say the manufacturing industry want? ... access to sensitive foreign competitors data stored on the cloud.

Industrial espionage plain and simple. It's in the interest of both the US government (to increase domestic economic activity) and said business to share this information.

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Post by ig1 »

While it makes sense for US carriers to want immunity from civil lawsuit, I'm not sure that would make sense for Google, Microsoft, et al - as obviously any US guarantee wouldn't protect them from civil lawsuits in other countries such as EU ones which have much stronger laws around data protection.

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Post by justincormack »

gasull wrote: post #23

I tried to submit this hours ago but nobody upvoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core "As of 2008 there were reportedly eight million Americans listed in the database as possible threats, often for trivial reasons, whom the government may choose to track, question, or detain in a time of crisis." We are more than half way in the road to serfdom and tyranny. EDIT: Resubmitted now as "http" - https://news.ycombi…

This happened in Switzerland back in the 1980s and was discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal

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Post by gasull »

x0x0 wrote: post #3

Holy shit. Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world’s largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes. Microsoft gives US military hackers and the NSA zero days…

"You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying. We can plant bugs in machines. Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place." –Edward Snowden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblowe...

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Post by digitalengineer »

gasull wrote: post #23

I tried to submit this hours ago but nobody upvoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core "As of 2008 there were reportedly eight million Americans listed in the database as possible threats, often for trivial reasons, whom the government may choose to track, question, or detain in a time of crisis." We are more than half way in the road to serfdom and tyranny. EDIT: Resubmitted now as "http" - https://news.ycombi…

"The Road to Serfdom" you say? Here is the illustrated version: http://mises.org/books/trts/

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Post by enoch-root »

> If necessary, a company executive, known as a “committing officer,” is given documents that guarantee immunity from civil actions resulting from the transfer of data.

Letters of marque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque) of our day

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Post by coopdog »

x0x0 wrote: post #12
munin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, they have a MAPP[1] subscription. You too could have information about bugs in Microsoft software before the fix has been released, if you could become a MAPP partner or subscriber. 1. http://www.microsoft.com/security/msrc/collaboration/mapp.as...

If you're in the MAPP program, you promise (on application, and presumably contractually upon membership as well), to: Do you agree to publish monthly protections derived from MAPP information only after Microsoft’s public security update release? I'm doubting the NSA / military hackers make, or honor, any such agreement.

That just says you can't publish exploits derived from the ones they've told you about until they've published the original ones themselves. It doesn't say you can't use, abuse and defend against them yourself. You're effectively buying zero days.
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