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The real misstep here is that Microsoft is still selling physical media. Nobody (well, almost nobody) gets mad when they can't resell their iPhone games or mp3s or Kindle books; compare that to the outpouring of anger when a company puts limitations on used optical media games or CDs or books. Humans are wired to see a physical item (disks, etc.) and think mine .

Humans are wired to see a physical item (disks, etc.) and think *mine.* Well, yes, but you oversimplify. There is a long-established doctrine of first-sale in the US, and it's not just part of case law, it's part of the culture. The non-resaleability of Kindle books or anything else digital is still new to the popular mind, and carries with it a certain implicit devaluation. Even though most people at least abstractl…

I dunno if price is really the issue. People pay much more for downloads of desktop software and at equal prices with the physical counterparts. You rarely see anyone arguing that they should be able to resell Photoshop or Word.

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It is true that textbooks are extremely over-priced in US because they are priced with multiple re-sale in mind. It maybe true for games but even so, it will take some time before the effect kicks in.

Part of the problem is that if something is physical, people expects it to be lend-able. E.g. Books, CDs, DVDs, etc. (you can also think of things you can borrow in the library) People don't expect their digital downloads to be lend-able (e.g. iTunes songs, Kindle books, etc.) In that sense, Microsoft has to play the game carefully. I think it will still work if games on XB1 sells at On the note of internet connection, as much as Microsoft thinks that everyone should have an internet connection at home today, it is still something that you should not expect everyone to have. Many XBOXes are sold globally and internet broadband connectivity may not come easily.

Besides the issue of lending of games, I do agree on the vision that the console will be a center piece of the living room. It is much more than just games.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Wow, a whole lot of product/business vision and dealmaking/tradeoffs, all of it quite sensible, and yet I see 4 pages of lecture and not a mention of fun, engaging games

Back to my NES...

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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>> Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4 Stop telling customers "take it or leave it". Tell them, "I'm sorry you can't do that", or "we've decided not to support X because Y". You keep telling us to go fuck off and buy a PS4, we might just do that.

Then you blame your half-assed approach on competitors (right after saying competition is good). You're Microsoft! King of anti-competitive practices. Why do you care what Target, Walmart, Gamestop, or Amazon think? If you wanted to build a Steam competitor, why didn't you build a Steam competitor? Why did you create a shitty Steam DRM system on top of physical media.

>> We want to own the living room. Do consumers want you to? Every update to XBox 360 has made it worse. - more ads on the landing page instead of instant access to recently used apps (e.g. hiding Netflix). - the horrible decision to make subtitles the system default, then keep turning it back on (seems like every 2-3 weeks it forgets I don't like them)

Prediction: XB1 home screen will just be wall to wall ads with a tiny little "play game" thing in the corner 7 screens over. Every time I want to play a game, I will probably have to scroll by shitty music offerings, shitty game previews, shitty video offerings, etc.

>> You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off I bet this will be obnoxious and tedious. Switch on the back? Inside a settings menu?

>> We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free Really?!? No more Live fee? Did I totally miss this? or by "free" do you mean for "for sale costing money on an ongoing basis for consumer, but free for publishers"?

>> If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4. This is why we're pissed and you seem to have missed that. Xbox should be a game console first, and a media machine second. MS has said they've made a really awesome Tivo + Roku machine and it also plays games.

So yeah, that's why MS is getting flak. But the real issue is that no one at MS seems to understand that!

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/08/users-treat-criticism...

It's so strange. I don't think I could name a single company or even product that I'm not ambivalent about. I may prefer X over Y, but everything has irritating flaws. I don't pretend to be some emotionless paragon of objectivity. It's just...criticism is good. I try to even highlight my own flaws, so they can be addressed. It's far more useful than trying to ignore problems.

Do you also tend to feel ambivalent about political parties and religions?

These feelings largely depend on whether you view the world in absolute or relative terms.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

#136
Wow Microsoft is really keep their engineers real high on that Kool-Aid.

I'll believe this when I see Xbone games cheaper than $59.99. AKA I'll probably never believe this.

We'll see they may be progressing home entertainment forward but they're really taking a gamble by screwing over their core audience to do it.

For reference almost all of my console gaming is done via rentals and from what I see the Xbone doesn't support that at all so I'm definitely out.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

#137

The real misstep here is that Microsoft is still selling physical media. Nobody (well, almost nobody) gets mad when they can't resell their iPhone games or mp3s or Kindle books; compare that to the outpouring of anger when a company puts limitations on used optical media games or CDs or books. Humans are wired to see a physical item (disks, etc.) and think mine .

Online purchases would be great, now how about an ISP that sells me the bandwidth to do it at a reasonable price that isn't Comcast/Cox/Time Warner/At&t? There's a reason I buy physical media.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

#138

The real misstep here is that Microsoft is still selling physical media. Nobody (well, almost nobody) gets mad when they can't resell their iPhone games or mp3s or Kindle books; compare that to the outpouring of anger when a company puts limitations on used optical media games or CDs or books. Humans are wired to see a physical item (disks, etc.) and think mine .

Still selling physical discs is pretty important because broadband access in the US is still pretty dismal so if they went pure digital their market would be unnaturally limited by customer's ability to download games in reasonable times.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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I am a Microsoft Engineer so take what I am about to say as gospel: There's no way to know when someone claims to be something on the internet that they are that thing unless the company itself corroborates it. The pastebin was posted on 4chan... 4chan... And all of the information in it could have been gleaned from publicly available sources. We should at best discuss it like it is rumour, and much more realisticall…

It's a terrible thing when somebody (Microsoft Engineer or not) tries to make sense of all the fact'less back n' forth about how much Microsoft sucks and they can't do anything right. If more people stopped to think what the Master plan here might be, we would all be better off. Instead we're entrenched in cold-war-like mentality of Apple-FRIEND, GOOGLE-FRIEND, SONY-BEST-FRIEND, ... Microsoft-ENEMY. Microsoft stopped…

I mean, MS helps governments spy with Skype, and now they want us all to have an always-on system in our living rooms with cameras and microphones?

I'm normally the one defending MS, but come on. Unless I have my facts wrong about Xbox 1, Xbox 1 is literally doo doo.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

#140
I hate this phrase, "trying to own the living room."

We think people want living room devices, but really they just need a living room computer.

A few months ago I went this way. No overengineered media center, just a tower next to the HDTV. Full-sized wireless keyboard and mouse. High-DPI to read text.

The experience immediately killed the 10 foot interface for me. All the 10' UIs out there feel slow, clunky, hobbled when compared to "just use a computer from your couch."

I understand that people are trying to simplify the experience, like Apple did with mp3s. Maybe you don't need to simplify here, though, because people already know how to use computers, they just don't see them in other rooms.

They just need a little nudge, a little help to see that it doesn't mean tiny text and wires across the living room floor.

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