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Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

pfraze wrote: post #14
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Dear Microsoft, all you have to do is ask your target audience what they think - you might be suprised. I mean yes, don't introduce the Kin, but at the same time, if Apple'd asked what consumers want, we'd be thinking the RAZR is cool instead of the DROID RAZR.

Yeah, but they still understood the consumers- better, perhaps, than the consumers did. MS is arguably misunderstanding them, in this case.

I don't get that conclusion. Steam does it and they're applauded, even by many who "hate" DRM. Microsoft does it (and maybe doesn't detail the entire vision/value well) and gets shit on. Much like a lot of things that MS does.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by jlgreco »

sliverstorm wrote: post #9
bluedino wrote: post #2

The headline made me think this was about the security 'features' on the original Xbox.

The colloquial naming will probably settle something like this: 2001 console: Xbox, Original Xbox 2005 console: Xbox 360, 360 2013 console: Xbox1, X-bone You will probably hear "Xbox" referring to the 2013 console in casual speech, but hopefully semi-formal and formal speech, e.g. articles, will distinguish.

> X-bone

That is fantastic. Pronounced like the word "bone" I assume?

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by shousper »

tzaman wrote: post #3

Yeah, Microsoft really sucks at storytelling. All they had to say was something in the lines of... "If you want to buy a disc, pay $59 for a game due to all non-digital crap the disc has to go through. And then do what you want with it. HOWEVER, if you download the game, it's like $29 (50% OFF!!!11), but then it's just yours, and yours alone, you can't sell or lend it - and we'd have to check every once in a while it…

So we're going to have to pay more for multiplayer editions? o.O Gaming used to be fun.. Whatever happened to creating something for the pure joy of it? Oh.. right.. capitalism.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by bphogan »

tzaman wrote: post #3

Yeah, Microsoft really sucks at storytelling. All they had to say was something in the lines of... "If you want to buy a disc, pay $59 for a game due to all non-digital crap the disc has to go through. And then do what you want with it. HOWEVER, if you download the game, it's like $29 (50% OFF!!!11), but then it's just yours, and yours alone, you can't sell or lend it - and we'd have to check every once in a while it…

The problem is that they still charge $59.99 for Games On Demand. When Black Ops 2 came out digitally, that's what it cost. Same with lots of the Games On Demand - many are $10-$15 more than I can get the disc for new. Not used, NEW. In the shrink wrap.

So you'll pardon me if I think this is full of crap. I want to see low priced games like on Steam. But until I see it from MS, I'll probably switch to full-time PC gaming again.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

I am a Microsoft Engineer so take what I am about to say as gospel: There's no way to know when someone claims to be something on the internet that they are that thing unless the company itself corroborates it.

The pastebin was posted on 4chan... 4chan... And all of the information in it could have been gleaned from publicly available sources. We should at best discuss it like it is rumour, and much more realistically just ignore it as trolling.

PS - I am not a Microsoft Engineer, I was making a point.

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by r00fus »

mtkd wrote: post #25

Microsoft thought they had a dominant market position and tried to stretch a little. They miscalculated. Sony were concerned they were heading towards irrelevance - they upped their game to win share back. I'd say it was a perfectly efficient market - and then I remember we're talking about kids being able to swap games like I did in the 80s as if it's a revolution ... the boomers heading these companies right now sh…

The problem isn't that it's boomers heading these companies. It's that they're 1%'s who have either lost or never had the pressures that their customers are feeling.

Maybe Microsoft thought Sony would just follow their lead since there wasn't a DRM scheme that Sony didn't like or try (before).

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by jlgreco »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #31
pfraze wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but they still understood the consumers- better, perhaps, than the consumers did. MS is arguably misunderstanding them, in this case.

I don't get that conclusion. Steam does it and they're applauded, even by many who "hate" DRM. Microsoft does it (and maybe doesn't detail the entire vision/value well) and gets shit on. Much like a lot of things that MS does.

Fair or not, reputation and corporate history allows different companies to get away with different things. Valve doesn't exactly have a reputation for turning off DRM servers, killing multiplayer servers for old games, and abandoning entire product lines and/or brands.

Conversely, nobody whines about Microsoft not releasing new versions of Halo, (or games in general with the number "3" in their title).

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by Jugglernaut »

andrewingram wrote: post #26

To be honest, the only thing that annoys me is the 24 hour check-in thing, and here's why... On average I've moved house once a year for every year since I moved to London in 2007. There was one place I stayed in for 18 months, but everything else was 12 months. In all these moves except one I've had to wait 3-4 weeks (sometimes more) to get my broadband connected, so essentially for 1/13th of a year the only interne…

Just use internet sharing on your phone =)

Re: "Microsoft engineer" on Xbox1

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Post by untog »

mtkd wrote: post #25

Microsoft thought they had a dominant market position and tried to stretch a little. They miscalculated. Sony were concerned they were heading towards irrelevance - they upped their game to win share back. I'd say it was a perfectly efficient market - and then I remember we're talking about kids being able to swap games like I did in the 80s as if it's a revolution ... the boomers heading these companies right now sh…

Did you read the link? Your post sounds like every other one discussing MS's strategy without taking into account anything the linked page said. I'm not saying it's true or that it'll succeed, but it doesn't describe MS trying to "stretch" at all.
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