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Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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Hackers tend to be passive, arm-chair, activists. Twittering on the internet and feeding outrage to each other, but never actually getting engaged to solve real issues. How many hackers do you know that have dedicated their entire careers to causes in the public service? In comparison, I look around at my friends who majored in liberal arts. I know a double-digit number of people who turned down six figure jobs to go…

And one by one those who go into public service sell out and fail to change anything. They become corrupted cogs in a corrupted machine.

Changing policy from the inside does not happen. Been there, done that, walked away from it.

I've seen up close how these so-called ideologists start behaving once they get any kind of power or influence. They are not the ones that affect change, they are just the next generation of those who maintain the status quo. They're not even just part of the problem, they are the problem.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #69

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This is a great example of why a good hacker should work in public service. Why bother working for an environmental non-profit when you can make many orders of magnitude more difference by founding Tesla Motors or Nanosolar Because an environmental non-profit might make immediate changes that save people's lives. A non-profit might put enough pressure on a company to stop polluting groundwater or destroying fragile e…

> A non-profit might put enough pressure on a company to stop polluting groundwater or destroying fragile ecosystems. The most fulfilling thing I've done in my life so far (other than starting a family) was helping to represent an Illinois village devastated by water pollution from a former industrial site. It would be amazing if some hacker would come along and figure out a cheap way to keep heavy metals from leachi…

While I can appreciate what you are saying, it's unfortunate that by saying so you're also contributing to the noise that hackers aren't already doing these things, which they are.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #113

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Perhaps hackers tend to be a little more structured and in-crowd, or downright strangers to most of the world. I'm not sure. Or perhaps hackers can easily be distracted by any type of problem, no matter how trivial, no how much it benefits others over them, or no matter how insignificant it is. I think the latter is true very often. The hackers I do know tend to be, generally speaking, wonderfully excited by problems…

I think my problem is that compared to many hackers, I think that technical solutions that hackers might be able to provide are rarely the proper solutions. What are the major problems today? Hunger? Overpopulation and access to family planning? Sanitation? Malaria, and other diseases? LGBT rights? Are any of these things really suffering for lack of hackers proposing technical solutions?

Lots of these things are amenable, at least partially, to technical solutions.

Example: A major problem poor countries have is that donors donate medical equipment, but the healthcare systems have no ability to maintain or sometimes even not the knowledge to use that equipment. There is a ton of equipment that could be easily fixed, or even just unpacked and used, that instead sits gathering dust.

Don't you think something like that is amenable to a technical solution?

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #26

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>>Most organizations management structures are staffed with individuals who tend to emphasise and practice...communication and persuasion If only. More like "do it this way cause I say." Looking back at some of the places I've worked, it would be a pleasure if this were more true.

Emphasize and practice does not mean emphasize and practice effective methods.

I was attempting to say that typical management stereotypes create an image of a person who either deals primarily in perceptions and impressions and only secondarily in facts and truths; or of a person who is so concerned with either being busy, or appearing to be busy, that only superficial communication and (mis)understanding is possible.

This is not necessarily an assertion about the extent to which particular individuals act out these stereotypes, or even a criticism of those who do: the situations that people are put in are often very difficult, and it is not obvious how one might ease the systematic dysfunctions of our institutions and organisations.

Furthermore, to say that the systems that we inhabit are imperfect and dysfunctional is to state the obvious: utterly uninformative without some sort of exploration or discussion of the whys, hows and wherefores. Fortunately, we have several models that we can apply to the analysis:

Any attempt to route significant information flows through a lossy and bandwidth constrained channel such as the human brain is bound to suffer distortion and loss. The dysfunction is with the system; indeed, any system that attempts to move the power to make decisions any sort of distance away from the sources of information which that very decision making process requires, without making adequate alternative arrangements. Indeed, if you look at Hayek's take on the free market economy, the main magic is in how prices signal the imbalance between supply and demand, and, indeed, we see analogous attempts to summarise key information through statistics where stereotypical and long-lasting information flows exist. However, it is less obvious how to summarise and/or compress idiosyncratic and short-lived information in rapidly changing and evolving circumstances.

How to fix this? Software and Information Technology is supposed to be a major part of the solution, but I have seen little that promises the paradigm shift that (more than likely) will be required to achieve the orders-of-magnitude improvements that we seek.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #125

“In the long tail of history just following orders is wrong. That’s the key thing that really matters.” Jacob Appelbaum hit the nail on the head.

And, as customers, we're just letting them have access because it's easy.

I use facebook because it's easier than any alternative, even though I don't like the privacy stuff. I'm just following the crowd.

I use gmail because, woah! 1 GB storage and they're reliable! And so I just follow the crowd.

I don't bother with encryption because it's slow and clunky and most of the people I communicate with can only just use a web browser, they have no hope of using GPG.

I'm quick to blame the big corps for rolling over and giving my data away, but I've done a lot to help them do it.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #69

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> A non-profit might put enough pressure on a company to stop polluting groundwater or destroying fragile ecosystems. The most fulfilling thing I've done in my life so far (other than starting a family) was helping to represent an Illinois village devastated by water pollution from a former industrial site. It would be amazing if some hacker would come along and figure out a cheap way to keep heavy metals from leachi…

While I can appreciate what you are saying, it's unfortunate that by saying so you're also contributing to the noise that hackers aren't already doing these things, which they are.

I'm not saying that hackers aren't doing those things. But the article tries to paint them out to be morally superior, and in my experience, my hacker buddies are the least likely out of all of my friends to be involved in that sort of thing.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #33

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The article isn't about whether hackers are more or less effective, as a group, at causes in the public service. It's about aggrandizing their moral character. Who has a greater moral character? Someone who puts all their effort into the public service with the skills they have, or someone who has some positive benefit on the public merely incident to his lucrative job? Inextricable from this evaluation is the fact t…

>Who has a greater moral character? Someone who puts all their effort into the public service with the skills they have, or someone who has some positive benefit on the public merely incident to his lucrative job? Surely it's whoever achieved the best outcome, irrespective of how they achieved it. >Inextricable from this evaluation is the fact that the guy who saved 1% of the electricity used at Facebook could probab…

> Surely it's whoever achieved the best outcome, irrespective of how they achieved it.

Isn't that an ends justify the means sort of argument?

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #67
post #47

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It sounds nice, but when I think about what exactly is meant by "long tail" I can't come up with an answer that would be compatible with the idea of the "long tail" in statistics ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_tail ). It does sounds better than just "in the long run, throughout history, just following orders is wrong". It seems like it's referring to people who are outliers and through which all the change is ha…

"In the long tale of history..." may resolve your concerns?

Oh, wow, I'm sorry. I should have seen that one. I guess I liked "long tail" and the alternative didn't occur to me. =)

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #83

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Exactly this. It may start with "rich" people, but eventually can become the norm. There are so many examples to support this, I think it should be enough to just mention the personal computer.

Yes, i'm sorry for being dismissive. The industry push toward hybrid and electric cars will definitely be benefited by Tesla's sole engineering prowess, and we will all benefit in at least 20 years. But you bring up another great example! The personal computer. From more efficient personal entertainment to not having to retain information, the personal computer has enriched our lives in countless ways. We would all b…

The computer begat large scale information systems. Eventually, it brought open large scale information systems. What's more important, having people volunteer to go to a village in Africa and build some wind turbines in a poor energy deficient village, or providing free plans for villagers to do it themselves using local or very low cost materials?

That's a complex question in its abstract form, and I don't believe it always yields the same answer when applied specifically.

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